Tier List: 5e Cantrips

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Hey, it's Jason. So before
we start the episode, let me just

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say I done goofed. Okay,
I had this idea to do a cool

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episode like a bunch of my favorite
YouTube channels, and let's do a tier

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list. So tear lists are where
you pick a bunch of things within the

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topic and you rank them from D
tier at the bottom and then increasing to

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C tier, B tier, A
tier, and you you're really special stuff

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goes in S tier. And while
I stand by the idea, the part

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that I goofed was the tearless topic. I chose cantrips and no one stopped

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me. And it wasn't until we
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whole hours that I even realized the
severity to which i'd done goofed. So

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rather than scrap some great material,
I'm going to present to you guys the

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highly edited, abridged version of this
conversation. I'll chime in here and there

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with the things that you're missing,
and I'm also going to remove the parts

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where we read what these cantrips do. So I suggest you have your favorite

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spellbook candy if you need it.
So the important thing here is I learned

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my lesson and I'm very very sorry, but part of me is wondering would

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you like to hear the two hour
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can make for a great bonus content
when we open up the Patreon down the

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line let us know. As always, you can send us your feedback to

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Hello Adventurers podcast at gmail dot com. But enough explaining, enough table to

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my legs, enough eating crow.
With that out of the way, let's

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get into our tier list, ranking
every every cantrip in D and D fifth

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edition. Hellllo Adventurers, Thanks for
tuning into the podcast time. Jason Portiso,

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I'm Jomo Call and I'm Jim Crocker. Today we're going to start a

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series that I think it's going to
be a lot of fun. We're on

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tearmaker dot com. We're gonna make
it to your list and we'll start picking

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a couple of different topics and just
see how we all feel about these things.

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So to kick this off today,
we are going to be ranking every

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single available at the time of this
recording, every available cantrip's as an easy

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the two cantrips. Everyone knows cantrips. I'm sure the beauty and how how

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heated of an opinion could you possibly
have on a cantrip. We'll see you

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say that like you've never been on
the internet. I can't wait to get

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into this. All right, there's
a bunch to get through. Let let's

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let's jump into this and if you
want to play along with us, but

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we're gonna have a link to the
tiermaker site that we're doing this off of,

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so you can see how your list
differs from ours. So, without

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further ado, let's jump in our
first cantrip and I have to look up

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a lot of these. I know
what most of these do, but maybe

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not like super granularly some of these. I don't think I've ever cast or

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had anybody cast on me. So
the first cant trip that we're going to

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rank this is frostbite. So cantrip
that grows full damage mit gets disadvantage.

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Though, how do you feel about
this? C class? Safer suck spells

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blow? I hate saber suck spells. Okay, I never take them if

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I can possibly avoid it. By
savor suck, you mean all damage to

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damage? I mean I mean all
or nothing. Yeah, Like, if

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your opponent makes a save, then
nothing happens. Now if on a failed

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save, your opponents still took advantage
without taking the damage. Then it would

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be like a B level spell,
I would Yeah, it doesn't even get

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yeah no nothing trip though, so
like are not supposed to like I think

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pretty much every can't trip suck,
is it? No? No, no,

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I'm sure you'll prove me wrong.
Yep, yeah, I'll go and

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see with you on this one.
This is I don't think it's it's less

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damage than stuff like fireball. Fireball, it's less damage from firebolt and giving

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disadvantage is okay, but what if
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cool, So frostbite seatier. Hey, I'll just step in here real quick

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and bring you up to speed on
a few things that we edited out.

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I promise I won't do this too
often, but this one came out really

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early in the episode. So while
we recognize that spells like Frostbite aren't useless,

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they're not great. And there seems
to be a few can trips that

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are really really similar, all doing
different kind of damage and having a different

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secondary effect. So because they're so
similar, they're all going to join Frostbite

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in the seatire. So this includes
mind sliver, poison, spray, sword

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burst, infestation, sacred flame,
sapping, sting, and word of Radiance.

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However, we did give special recognition
to acid splash for its ability to

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destroy small items like ropes and its
secondary ability to hit a second target at

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a distance if they're standing next to
each other. So we moved assets Splash

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into beats here. Okay, let's
get back in there. Minor illusion.

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Minor illusion is awesome. Let me
get the correct text on this. One

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illusion can trip one action of thirty
foot range. You create a sound or

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an image of an object within range
that lasts for the duration. The illusion

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also ends if you dismiss it as
an action or cast a spell. Again,

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all that to say, you can
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it's not, or sound sounds like
that. That's I mean, even better

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solding the solid s class as far
as I think. So this is fantastic

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being able to fake someone else's voice
from thirty feet away, and it's it's

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that so many narrative possibilities you can
do, such interesting stories you can get

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creative with Yeah, players can get
with it, which I like about it.

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I've seen people minor illusion entire new
outfits on themselves crown's rings make them

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look rich. But that's the beauty
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vast array of possibilities, but not
game breaking possibility. So it's just it's

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just right in the sweet spot of
what a really cool you know cantrip style

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spell should do. I Keep might
only last a minute, so you are

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trying to use it to look like
someone you're not. You only have that

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much time, and you can use
it on other characters. That's the other

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thing that's great about it. It
is not just you know, you can

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put an outfit on someone else,
you can duplicate someone else's voice. It

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doesn't have to be just you know, an illusion on you. Yeah,

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so we're calling this class solid is
the present. We're solid. Yeah,

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we're two spells in. We got
already our first s class. Next we

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have message. This is one of
those cantrips that we're going to give it

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a rank because that's what we're here
to do. Yes, but that is

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going to vary wildly depending on the
kind of campaign you're in and how your

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DM likes to run stuff. Of
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situations where it's important for you to
communicate surreptitiously with other party members. You

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know, the value of this spell
goes up if you're in a campaign where

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like it never even comes up,
there's no reason for you to use it.

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So I think it's going to depend
on you know, if you're doing

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your like we're doing a court intrigue
espionage campaign like, then it's an s

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T your spell. If you're just
kicking indoors in dungeons, eh, you

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know, much less useful. I
think in a heist to be huge,

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the rogue is climbing up on the
second floor to unlock something while you're doing

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something downstairs like that. That's when
you're doing come in hand. You're dishonored

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campaign that you've always wanted to run. Yeah, I was going to say,

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even outside of stuff like that,
even just keeping watch overnight, you

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con communicate with you other you see
the bandits and you don't want them to

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hear you can the rest of it
put your party. I think that's more

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common than just the hors where where
it really really shines. And even something

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like an escort mission where you're like
doing a steak out and no, you

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don't want to tip off that you
know that the bad guys are watching you

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say, hey, I won't just
be normal, goes straight ahead and if

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they do anything, barbaria in your
first And it's also one of those things

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where like it's gonna go down as
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first, second, third level characters, it's it's a great thing. But

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by the time you're getting your spell
casters getting up around you know, fifth,

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sixth level, they've got regular spells
that are so much more really for

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this kind of thing, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I want to put

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this in a Yeah, I'm down. I think that if it for very

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specific campaigns or situations, it could
be s. But I think like it's

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a soliday. I think once we
start seeing more s t here cantrips,

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I don't think this is ever st
here. I don't see it. I

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don't see they. Yeah, yeah, when this is breaking a game,

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I agree with that. Yeah,
okay, like Moner illusion is the is

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the precedent that we say, and
I know I know which other ones are

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going to go on st here message
is fantastic, happily a here though,

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next up is fire Bolt. It's
right there with acid splash. I'm concerned.

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Yeah that really, Yes, yeah, I think this is way better

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than us. Yeah, actually I
probably agree. It's more damage, it's

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much better range. You're letting things
on fire. So if you're trying to

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talk about getting rid of a rope
or something, you know that if that's

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the splash got upgraded to a bee
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Uh yeah, this is going to
do that from twice the range, and

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we'll target the acid splashes those double
more. There more damage on this I

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can see, So my my,
I'm not going to give anything where it

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might not work for whatever reason better
than it be. I think it might

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be the uh holding cantrips's too high
a standard with that that's double the range.

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Just asset splash as well, it's
one hundred and twenty feet instead of

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the sixty feet. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I've ever put down

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a battle map where anybody's had to
do something more than sixty feet. But

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but that there may be games where
where that's a concern. But you know,

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I'm prepared to be outvoted. So
I think Firebolt, at least for

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Wizards, might be the best damage
tiling cantrip, but actually might artificer it

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is because it's a d ten.
But whether that that difference makes it,

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you know, bumps of a whole
tier is up to you. It does

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not for me. Like I said, I don't I like S and A

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as far as I'm concerned. Are
cantrips that always work every time. And

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that's that's one of the one of
the criteria that I have for that.

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I'm thinking of this as your S
and A is like either must haves or

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even like defing. We can have
different criteria work because we're different people.

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Yeah, that's the beauty of this
is just ranking. Yeah, yeah,

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I think Firebolt deserves be better than
ass splash, But jo do you think?

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Yeah? My vote A on this
one. There we go. I

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was ready to be off voted to. All right, next one, and

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this is going to test your Gaelic
reading skills. This is Clayey or is

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my oldest son called delay drove me
insane? Yeah, Sulie log needs a

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shamrock leaf of the cast. Don't
you know that is a harmful stereotys.

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Actually that is Kenny. I did
not pull that out of my ask.

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That is Kennon, sir. Yeah, this is like Druid one oh one

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level one Druid stuff. It's the
most damage you're going to be doing beyond

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the first couple levels of druid,
though it really falls off quickly. This

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is not es tre from me.
It's it's it's not bare clause right.

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Yeah, I would happily put this
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b OH. I like it as
an A like. It fulfills that criteria.

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The it works for a full minute
regardless of what you do. It

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kind of makes you into kind of
a badass, like like you can at

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first second level your toe to toe
with a fighter when you have this thing,

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this spell, and that's what it's
for active. Yeah, I would

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definitely hat through this. And also
the Druid that I played with last week,

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every time she cast this, she's
saying the Tom Waits version of a

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Jersey Girl, I'm gonna cast our
next cantrip is the friends cantrip does the

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there's a repercussion of its seeing this
steep oh yeah, yea yeah, that

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makes it a DT as far as
I'm concerned, I've I've never been in

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a game where someone's used this.
Yeah, this is what this is what

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cantrip level Charm's bell gets you.
It's terrible. Yeah, but except for

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one thing, which is that the
material component is a bit of makeup that

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you have to put on your face. That's the one fun thing about it.

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Components. Yeah, from a d
m's perspective, it's great because this

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is one of those cantrips that whoever's
casting it probably didn't read it all the

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way through. Yeah, yeah,
cast f sure enough, Yes, yeah,

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yeah. I do like that.
It is like the cantrip version of

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a charm spell, and it shows
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by making this one kind of bad. So I would agree this is our

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first D tier uncastable. Yeah,
yeah, trip. It's also where I

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making them anymore shape Water what's kind
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Jenazi have iniche to them, which
is which has been interesting for me when

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I played my Water Janazi Mounk.
It's a D in that Dark Sun campaign

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I'm running. Unfortunately, at any
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even C I mean so again,
it's one of those narrative things, right

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where if you've got a fun,
clever player, every time you go into

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the pub, you can make ice
for people's drinks if you've got this,

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you know. But it's like it's
it's it's a b or C because it's

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so specific, and it's also just
one of those some of these cantrips and

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just spells writ large that do a
lot of stuff. You look at it

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and go, oh, what a
coolest of stuff, and then you get

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in to play and it just kind
of never comes up. You never use

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it that very much. Has this
field to me where like you look at

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it and you go, oh,
that would be cool in this specific situation.

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And but then you know the DM
to hand you the hall. Yeah

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you can freeze it, but yeah, and then there's arguments that can probably

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be made that it's not the same
water every time. Yeah, I don't

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think it's completely useless. I don't
want to d class it, but I

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think, yeah, it's here shapewater. Hey me again, I'm cutting around

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a few more. Don't worry,
you didn't miss anything funny or super useful.

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There's a few cant trips that are
identical to shapewater, except for their

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respective elements. They're all just about
as good as the other, so they

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all ended up in sea tier.
This includes mold, earth, control,

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flame, and gust or gust of
wind, depending on which resource you're reading,

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although gust of wind is great if
there's a draft. We actually had

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a lot to say about this one, So let's take a listen to that,

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all right. Next tip, you've
got gust, So you need to

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be a wizard that can control the
reality around you to shut a door,

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yeah, or give you like a
like a Calvin Klein, Michael Jackson.

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Yeah, Yeah, that's gonna aim
ye. And then yeah, and then

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your clothes ripple. Yep. Is
this better or worse than shape, water

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or molders it's the same. It's
right right there in that. You know,

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if you want to do one of
those things, you can, but

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why would you? Yeah? But
also, isn't this just one aspect of

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theomturgy parts of it are right?
Or a present entitation I think is one

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of those is one of those.
Maybe both we're gonna, we're gonna they're

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coming up soon. Looking ahead,
with a wave of your hand, you

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can send the you know, the
mugs sliding down the bar so that somebody

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can catch it. That's you know. Yeah, A lot of this stuff

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is like bar trek stuff. Yeah, which I mean you can get creative

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with Listen. I can cast friends
and have advantage to convince somebody to close

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the door for me. That's true. There you go, but then then

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you run and and they'll sit down
and they'll be in rich. Wait a

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minute, I don't want to shut
the door for that guy, and I'm

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gone. No one told me life
was going to be this way. Uh,

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excellence. Next up, we've got
spare of the dying can't trip that

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completely undoes death thieves. I think
that's pretty fantastic. I think this is

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a must have. Yes, yeah, cleric an artificer that Paladin can't really

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can't do it. I guess Paladin
would just lay on hands and standards bring

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him back up. But yeah,
yeah, are are we steering this?

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Where is his A? Is it
good enough for s? I think it's

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I think it's A. I make
I make this a Joe. I would

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lean towards A on this. Yeah, I'll go eh, because it's super

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useful but situationally super useful. And
and again it's a thing that is a

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tier for three levels and then you
have you know, you have enough spell

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slots that you can you're light on
anybody any time, and you're limited to

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touch if you're far enough away.
Yeah. Yeah, it's not going to

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help anybody, sure, so yeah, so great as a cantrip, but

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also in an arsenal of stuff like
healing Word or mass secure wounds or mass

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healing Word at higher levels. Yeah, okay, I'll go with you,

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and pretty cool to put into a
wand for someone else. Next, we've

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got blade ward. Sounds like a
place where you go to get treated after

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you've been blades. In this case, it's he's in the blade ward.

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Yeah, next to the burn ward
exactly. Yeah, the very definition of

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a D level can trip. As
far as that concerned, there's so many

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other better things you could be doing
with you with an action. Yes,

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oh my god. Yeah, if
this was a bonus action that wizards could

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do with we're doing a whole lot
of bonus actions and be able to kind

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of, you know, not get
their ass kicked for one round. Then

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maybe we got a shot. No, yeah, no, right, you'd

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have to use it every round.
That does just doesn't to just take less

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damage as not even right, it's
just resistance. Yeah, it just haves

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Yeah here, it's just even a
discussion. Yeah, we're done. See

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later. Blade Ward mess Up is
guidance definitely at low levels, and I

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think even at mid levels this is
a must have. To the point where

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I see two problems with the spell, and not because it's not good enough.

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I see two problems with the spell
because it's too good. We fall

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into the problem of the claric player
just saying just just you, guys,

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just just to a campaign for a
second, just kind of like explore room.

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I'm gonna go, I'm gonna search
for secret doors here. While he's

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doing that, Can I loot the
bodies and do an investigation? Yeah,

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yeah it is it. Give me, give me you. It's just that's

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why I kind of laughed, like
again, like there's there's a reason for

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that. You do have to maintain
maintain concentrations ends well, okay, so

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you can't do it, well another
concentration is up. But you're not using

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this during combat. You don't use
when there was a pressing time against you.

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So unless you're trying to keep up
like a polymorph or something like that.

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This is just to it on everything
to a point where some dms don't

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let you use it more than a
couple of times per session. You're playing

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in very different games than I am. If you say it's not being used

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in combat, yeah, I think
that. That's what I was going to

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say was I think that people tend
to use it for mainly investigation and stuff

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and maybe perception. But like it, it can be used for so much

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more. Now you can't use it
multiple times in combat, right because I'm

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gonna put you and say, hey, guidance the next role for the next

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minute, use right, So it
would be great like right before combat you

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could use it and then after before
the fighter kicks the door in, I

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cast guidance on him, right,
yeah, exactly. So Yeah, and

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I think that not enough people use
it for that in terms of what I've

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seen they do. It does like
a boost on like wrapple checks and stuff.

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But the other thing about this that
determines what heear it's at is a

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question that I've seen asked on the
DM Academy reddit, which is, are

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you the kind of game where you
tell people what the result is and whether

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guidance might work or they say I
make my skill you know they roll their

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skill check it's a seventeen and you
know that it's a twenty two. But

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you just kind of sit back and
cross your arms and say, I don't

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know, cask guidance and find out
that makes it a different spell than if

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you say, you know, I
roll a seventeen. Oh yeah, all

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you need is eighteen. You cast
guidance, it'll it'll, it'll do it

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for you. Sure, you know
whatever, like not cast it, but

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you burn your guidance that you've got
in there. And so the kind of

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table that you run key and influence
whether it's you know how great it is,

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but I think it's a fantastic level
spell. There's a reason why the

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Druids are like guidance, gutdance guidance
because it's it's a as a cantrip.

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It's an amazing cantrip. Now we're
going to rank this as it currently is

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and five E because this is getting
reworked in one D and D and those

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books at the time of this recording
have not been published. So last I

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saw, it can only be used
once per ten minutes per You can't cast

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on the same person more than once
and ten minutes. Yeah, that makes

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it a level instead of S level. Yeah, it's still very good.

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Yeah, but instead of being like
completely like absolutely just like got, it's

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it's got. It's kind it's it's
almost I don't think it's it's so powerful

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though, that it breaks anything,
just just because you could still roll poorly.

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It's not giving you advantage. I
think if it gave you advantage,

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it would be two. It would
be overpower. The great thing about it,

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though, is that you get to
decide whether to use it or not.

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It's not on your next roll.
Yeah, you're right, you get

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a D four it's in a minute. Yeah. Yeah, and and and

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that's why it only kind of only
makes sense to use it if you're you

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know, if your table is cool
about having open die rolls and knowing what

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your results are and stuff like that. Even even in the spell description I

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said you can know you can roll
after it's almost more exciting. Like one

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of the most exciting roles in the
game sometimes, especially if you're new and

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low level, is oh, if
I roll a three or better, it'll

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hit you know, and then and
so whatever my you know, I'll succeed

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in my my dexterity check to leap
the chasm or whatever it is that you're

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doing. Yeah, I think this
should be treated the same way as Bartican

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inspiration, to where you know what
the result is before you choose to use

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it, but you don't know if
it's successful or not. I agree completely.

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I think that's the I think that's
the most the most fair. Waight.

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So are we S classing? Oh
yeah, up there with minor illusion.

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It's that good. And it's funny
because when you said we're going to

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do a ranking on hand trips and
I was like, a guidance is S

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class? That was like the first
thing that popped into my mind. When

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we start elderslast yes, yeah,
yeah, well elders Blast yes, as

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plus exactly a class above that.
We have to create an S plus.

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It's a it's a elder blast is
essentially a class speeture masquerading as a can't

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trip. Yeah, we'll get to
that. Lay to that. Yeah,

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booming blade, Okay, boomer Yeah, this spells pretty actually straight straight.

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It's better than yeah, yeah,
I forgot about the extra damage part level

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five. I'm bringing the level one
part. Yeah, it's it's strictly better

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than attacking. It's a it's basically
a melee buff. It's like a free

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melee buff. It's pretty cool.
It goes on Source War's warlots wizards and

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artificers that hit pretty bad. Now. I definitely used this on my Blade

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Singer, which is a wizard with
awesome melee attacks, and this, this

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was a This was an auto include. Yeah, especially at fifth level,

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and indeed you know you're getting those
extra damage died. Yeah. Yeah,

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strictly better than attacking excellent? Is
it good enough for? How? How

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are we going? Hey? Yeah, I don't think it's quite. I

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don't think it's quite. Still,
got to hit with that attack, right,

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Soliday Soliday, Yeah, no problem
with that, And at low levels

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makes your dagger worth reckoning with.
So yeah yeah. And even just like

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on a on an already damaged enemy
that like then can't afford to move and

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it's forced to stay still, that
could be kind of cool. All right,

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We've got press to digitation and in
addition to being very hard to spell,

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it is a transmutation cantrip. So
this is literally just wizard doing and

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wizard tricks. This is like more
than any other cantrip. This is a

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cantrip that like, especially new players
read and they want it to be an

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S level cantrip, But really it's
like a B level cantrip if you really

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properly DM the way these things are
supposed to work. They're very minor,

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you know, fun little narrative that's
the point. Yeah, but minor.

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And like people like, basically,
can I use press the digitation to use

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this thing that I should be using
minor illusion for? Or yes exactly because

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obviously I thought that you could do
what you do and gus and the most

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useful thing I think this does it
snoughs out of campfire if you're if the

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bandits find you, yes, while
you're camping out. It is not useless.

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No, no, no, and
and and it's one of those ones

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where if you have a clever player
and you do a lot of narrative stuff,

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again, it's it's it's like a
bar trick spell. Yeah, this

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is also this is the role player's
dream spell. Yeah. Everything this spell

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does well is in narrative. Where
are we placing this? I put it

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in B. I was going to
say, I think it is a bee

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because narratively, what you can do
with it, it can be a lot

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of fun. I think you can
get really creative with it. Narratively,

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it is one hundred times better than
gust and one thousand times worse than minor

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illution. I think we are right
in there. Hello Adventurers, thank you

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I've been saying it wrong this whole
time to g it's a matter gy.

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Is this doing anything that minor illusion
is not doing. It's opening and closing

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doors at range, So it's kind
of like a minor telekinetic effect. If

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somebody else needs to get through a
door and you can you can open it

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for them so that they can and
blow through it. And it's only a

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cleric spell. We're a minor illusion
one a cleric doesn't have access to it.

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But okay, putting on clerics is
huge, yes, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah
is anywhere near minor illusion. So

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as far as fun role playing,
if you use that first effect, it

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means you get to yell for a
full minute at the table, yell at

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everybody, which is super fun and
everybody loves it. The rest of the

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table really really digs that. When
you're you're you're hollering all of your dialogue.

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Yeah, now the other the booming
voice, the changing eyes, the

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tremors, the flames flickering, I
know you're it's bright. We're pressed to

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digitation is it's a lot of fun
narrative stuff. Yeah, you can use

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it for you can use it in
order to make a deception or intimidation check.

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So and this is one where if
anybody could take it, it's b

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But like clerics don't have a lot
of access to this kind of rechick.

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That might be a level because for
clerics it's not something they otherwise get a

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lot of access to doing this sort
of stuff. I think it has the

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same level of usefulness as pressed digitation. Yeah, and I want to put

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it next to that. Yeah,
that's kind of where not a hill I

403
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.400
have any interest whatsoever and dying.
I just can't put it next to firebolt

404
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:18.920
and bar Thomaturgy beats here. So
chill Touch is a necromancy cantrip. So

405
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:23.319
the the biggest thing I have against
the spell, as a lot of the

406
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.920
people do it is neither chill nor
touch. There's necrotic damage at one hundred

407
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:33.240
and twenty feet. Aside from that, the damage is pretty much almost negligible

408
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.200
for me. I have seen big
beds get taken down by this just because

409
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:44.240
they couldn't be healed. Stopping them
from healing is insane. And it's got

410
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.720
a couple of other It's one hundred
and twenty feet, which is fantastic,

411
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.079
excellent. And one of the other
things that's really cool about this that a

412
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.799
lot of the other cantrips don't do
is it's necrotic damage. So if you

413
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.240
hit undead, a lot of undead
resist necrotic damage. But it has that

414
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:06.440
additional effect that makes up for the
fact that they might not take damage from

415
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.440
it, which is really pretty cool
and you know, is arguably maybe even

416
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:17.119
better than the D eight, like
giving it disadvantage to attack you. So

417
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:19.920
yeah, yeah, the damage to
me is almost negligible. The fact that

418
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.920
he even does damage is almost a
bonus to me. Yeah, I want

419
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:29.720
to a class this also just the
description of it being like a ghostly spectral

420
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.079
hand that grabs your opponent around the
throat and clings to it, and that's

421
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.599
just terrifying. That's that is a
that is an a class spell description as

422
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.880
far as I'm concerned. Now,
if this spell was called necrotic range,

423
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.920
then now that's est tire. But
as chill touch Lion asked, chill touch

424
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.960
name, I want to a class
this grip, That's what it should be

425
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.359
called. Anybody object to eighth here? I do not. No, Yeah,

426
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.279
I think that's a soliday. Anybody
want to argue for higher No?

427
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.400
So either. No, it is
the rare spell that does not always work

428
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.519
that I can that I consider.
I just don't think it's a must have.

429
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:08.920
Yeah, there's probably other cantrips like
as a Warlock that definitely have access

430
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:15.079
to. Yeah, primal savagery.
This is one of the new ones from

431
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:19.200
xanathar'sk Guide to Everything. So this
to me has bits a booming blade in

432
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.960
it. Sure where you're using your
action to make an attack, and if

433
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.160
this is better than your normal attack, then I think this is I must

434
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.880
have. But again, because it's
a druid thing, by level three you're

435
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.160
going to be turning into you know, a bear or you know, eventually

436
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.920
a tyrannosaur or something like that.
So it's it's great for a couple of

437
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.839
three levels. I don't think it's
quite as good as booming Blade because booming

438
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.440
blade has that secondary sure effect.
Agree with that. I put it in.

439
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.440
The damage does scale, so once
you hit a fifth level, it's

440
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.440
it's two D ten on a melee
attack, which is pretty good. Yeah,

441
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.519
admittedly, Yeah, and a cantrip
that's i'll e classic. I think

442
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.880
that's yeah. I think it is. There you go, all right,

443
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:08.519
Primal savagery heights here. Pretty cool. In Boston, this is called thorn

444
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:15.240
Whip the Wicked. Yeah it is. It's a wicked cant trip the Wicked

445
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:21.000
Thorn Wicked can't trip. It's transmutation
one action range, thirty feet components D

446
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.960
s M, the material component being
the stem of a plant with thorns,

447
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.759
so it gives you reason to carry
a rose around with you, which is

448
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.799
kind of cool. Your seat on
mask ket exactly, Yeah, keep it

449
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:36.279
tucked over your ear or something like
that. Duration instantaneous, you create a

450
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:40.240
long vine like whip covered in thorns
that lashes out at your command toward a

451
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:45.200
creature in range. Make a melee
spell attack against the target. If the

452
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.119
attack gets the creature takes a D
six piercing damage, and if the creature

453
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.720
is large or smaller, you pull
the creature up to ten feet closer to

454
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:58.640
you, which is awesome at higher
levels, increased by D six when you

455
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.160
reach fifth, eleventh, seventeenth level. But it's that ten foot pole that

456
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.480
is oh yeah, yeah, that's
that's the money shot on this spell.

457
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.279
For sure. It was just kind
of weak, ye, especially compared to

458
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.359
stuff like Primal Savagery and Booming Blade
that we've seen so far. But that

459
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.319
ten foot forced movement is this is
the poison ivy. That's what I think

460
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.720
of this as, Yeah, where
do we want to rank this? This

461
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.319
is a as far as I'm okay, yeah, yeah, just damage is

462
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.240
fine, but I think if it
was better if this was like a D

463
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:35.559
ten eight, I think that would
have been pushed it over there, which

464
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.680
says to me, this is a
well written, well balanced spell. Good

465
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:44.480
for you guys, horn Whip A
tier druid and artificers as well. But

466
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:50.599
I see this on every druid,
and and useful all the way up to

467
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.240
high level because of that pull effect
that it's gone on. It is at

468
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:59.279
seventeenth level doing four D six as
a level seventeen druid. No, I

469
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.000
don't, I don't care before D
six damage again, you can turn into

470
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:07.760
you know whatever, like a tyrannosaur
at that point or something. But yes,

471
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:13.840
insane stuff. So like the damage
is completely inconsequential. To me,

472
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.400
this kind of reminds me of Chill
Touch, which is also eight tier yea,

473
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:20.599
where the damage is inconsequential and that
secondary effect is just just beautiful.

474
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.559
Yeah, but what if you need
But if what you need is to drag

475
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.280
that demon into the portal so that
it goes back to Hell, then you

476
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.159
can do that with that grip.
So now, because the damage is so

477
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.559
low, you can hit allies with
it. Oh my god, I hadn't

478
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.679
even thought of that. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, your fighters, yeah,

479
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.840
hit me whatever, take four,
but it puts me next to the

480
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:45.239
big bat. Yeah. Poke you
for one D six fantast or something's collapsing.

481
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.159
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot
of the utility aspect of it.

482
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:55.000
This is fantastic. I love this. Next up is light and Evocation cantrip.

483
00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.360
It's the S S S that ever
you're creating l It's yeah, it's

484
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.760
it does exactly what it does.
It does it well. I think every

485
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.559
level wants this, and not only
that you're casting it on an object.

486
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.880
You can cast it on a coin
and throw the coin down the well to

487
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:19.000
see what happens. You can,
It's yeah, it's it's the quintessential utility

488
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.480
spell for a reason. It was
good enough for Gandolf, Yes enough for

489
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.960
us. Yeah, this is just
it's not so game it's not game breaking,

490
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.239
but it is just perfect utility.
It's game making. Yeah yeah,

491
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:36.199
yeah, that's are you guys better
than breaking? Yeah? Like s tire

492
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:40.719
end of conversation. Our next spell
is about that time that my broccoli caught

493
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.519
fire. So Joe, if you
please talk about produce flame a produce flame

494
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.920
conjuration can't trip. That's the worst
joke I can passive of the show and

495
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:52.719
I'm leaving it in. I'm not
at any fantastic good flame, please,

496
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.559
Joe. Is this a light that
you can attack with for a druid?

497
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:02.360
Yeah, yes, but it's a
slightly shorter duration light that you can attack

498
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.039
with. Ten minutes is a lot, though. Yeah, ten minutes is

499
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.920
enough for any certainly you know encounter
length thing you're going to do, and

500
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.400
probably most bits of exploration. If
you're dungeon crawling like you get, you

501
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.920
get ten minutes out of it,
it stops. You just turn the lights

502
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.039
on again. It's a cantrip.
Yeah, and if anything happens in the

503
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:29.440
meantime, you can use it,
just throw it ract And mainly druids don't

504
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:31.719
have access to light, so this
is the version of light they get if

505
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:36.480
they want it. I put it
up there with right now. I think

506
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.360
I think this is a I think
that belongs there. You get a you

507
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.960
lose a little bit of brightness,
but you get to attack with it.

508
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.400
Yeah, insane. Yeah, that's
probably what pushes it over the edge because

509
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:52.400
I've just a tier. But yeah, the fact that you can use it

510
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:53.960
in more than one way. Yeah, and if you if you need it

511
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.960
for longer, you're probably not in
a If you're in a combat situation,

512
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.480
ten minutes will get you there.
If you're a non combat situation, and

513
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.000
just turn it back on. Yeah, I gotta go produce lame s tier

514
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:10.679
definitely belongs next to light Next up, we've got thunderclap. The thunderclap.

515
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.599
It's just sword burst with sound.
Also, my favorite part about the spell

516
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.880
is that it teaches new players that
there's a difference between thunder damage and lightning

517
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.960
damage. They all things. The
reason it exists, the all thing.

518
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:28.199
This is thorn. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, is this going next to

519
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.199
It's going next to all of those
C tiers. Yeah, like damage in

520
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.519
the circle spells. Yeah, and
it and it damages. It does damage

521
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.320
to all creatures. Not yes,
or just not just m It's sword burst

522
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.920
with sound. Yeah yeah. Is
there any time where I can think of

523
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.239
where it would be bad? But
is there any time where that sound being

524
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.280
audible from one hundred feet away would
be good? If you were in a

525
00:37:54.360 --> 00:38:00.320
situation I guess where you need the
allies to know where you were? Yeah,

526
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:07.400
and you cast cantrips fast enough for
morse code, probably not. Yeah,

527
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:16.239
I gotta go seats here then underclap
seats here boom boom boom boom boom

528
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:24.119
boom boom boom boom. It's an
s o s oh no, yeah,

529
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:34.320
I don't think that's okay, okay, all right, well there we go.

530
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.480
Might be in a little trouble.
I'm not sure. N Yeah,

531
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:45.880
that's fantastic. Next cantrip, I
wonder what this one does. Spell I

532
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:51.639
could have used in high school.
You're creating a bonfire. Yeah, a

533
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:53.920
flint and stone was not available.
Yeah, we need to we need a

534
00:38:54.119 --> 00:39:00.280
tiar That is me. That's this
is falls right into That's the As far

535
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.000
as I'm concerned, he's pretty med
Yep. It is bad enough to be

536
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.679
friends in blade word. I don't
think it actively does anything bad. I

537
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.960
think it's just literally creates a bonfire
with this something that you can mean,

538
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:15.000
And it's kind of cool because you
can, like the sixty feet means,

539
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:20.960
you know, you can set something
on the other side of that chasm on

540
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.000
fire. You can you know,
it's sort of a sort of a one

541
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:30.880
square flamethrower kind of, so you
know, like the bonfire will light up

542
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.400
whatever's there, and if it's next
to more flammable stuff, it can it

543
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.360
can expand, and so that's kind
of cool. But okay, so it's

544
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.559
not garbage. It's not garbage.
I don't think it's as good as press

545
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.280
digitation or shocking grass. If you
want to start a fire without blowing a

546
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:47.079
higher level attack spell, it's pretty
good, I mean. And also it's

547
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.920
something again, it's one of those
things druids have access to. Sure,

548
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.440
this might be a you know,
a better spell for a druid than for

549
00:39:54.519 --> 00:40:00.880
a wizard. Yeah. Cool,
I will happily accept that. Create bon

550
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:06.599
fire seats here right there, all
right. Next, we've got lightning lurre

551
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:08.880
and this has a little bit of
the thorn whip thing going on with it.

552
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.000
Yeah, is this the Is this
the wizard version of thorn Whip?

553
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.280
It sort of is, because I
think thorn whip's thirty feet right, and

554
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:20.920
this is just fifteen feet right.
The whole point of this is that you

555
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.800
you hit something fifteen feet away and
pull it so that it's within at least

556
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:28.360
five b tu, and then it
gets good by the way thing you're pulling

557
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.039
it in next to you. Yeah, how do we think that affects it?

558
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:36.239
I mean, I think it's it's
still pretty good. And movement effects

559
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.519
like that are pretty rare. Yeah, and and and I think that that

560
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.039
puts it up to a level.
Yeah. I think that's the only reason

561
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.360
it stays in a level yes,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

562
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.320
But that that ten foot slide is
pretty or the ten foot pole rather is

563
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:52.000
is pretty cool. Just it stinks
that it's only fifteen feet. That's my

564
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.159
only problem with it. I guess, yeah, maybe not as good as

565
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.559
Thornwab, but available on classes that
don't have access to thorn Whip, and

566
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.519
it's still better than Shocking Grass basket
Splash. I think it's oh yeah,

567
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.079
yeah, sure it deserves eight year, so let me lord eight tier,

568
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.880
all right. Next up is ray
or Frost. This one is cool because

569
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.360
I mentioned the the wild Cheap Chase
in an earlier episode, and this is

570
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.840
what the Wizard will. I treat
it as a layer action just so he

571
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.719
doesn't accidentally die, but he's supposed
to be on his turn just to slow

572
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:30.480
the players down while they're trying to
chase him up the upstairs flowing the speed

573
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:36.719
by ten feet significant? Does that
put it anywhere near Firebolt? Not for

574
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.840
me. I put it there right
next to Shocking Grasp and Acid Splash.

575
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.039
As far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I don't know. I think desplay

576
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.719
for me. I think it's an
eight year so half the range, smaller,

577
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:51.880
smaller hit die. Yeah yeah,
but slowing down is good, doesn't

578
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:57.800
make it a tier. Yeah.
Yeah, I'll go be solid you though.

579
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.239
Yeah. Plus if there was one
m but there isn't, so b

580
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.719
Ray Frost bes here next time as
Told the Dead a necromancy cantrip if you

581
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.760
another necrotic damage spell, just like
chill Touch. How do you feel about

582
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.159
Told the Dead be for a wizard, ay for a clerk is how I

583
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.079
feel. Yeah, because like clerics
don't have a lot of you know,

584
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.639
a lot of this kind of laser
stuff that that wizards have a ton of

585
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:27.039
access to. That's how I feel
about it. I don't know. I

586
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.480
don't know how you split the difference
on that. I think that makes it

587
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:34.920
a BE I would say be just
because of the nature of the the after

588
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:40.840
rollism saving throw, so it's save
or see if the D twelve is nice,

589
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.960
if it were arranged attack, if
it were arranged spell attack, I'd

590
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.000
make it in a yeah. Yeah, I think I agree. I agree

591
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.079
with that. I think that's what
stopped at BNA pull the dead beat.

592
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:55.239
Here up next, You've got dancing
lights. This is a spell. You

593
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.320
read it and it sounds fun.
No one ever takes it ever. Yeah,

594
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.920
that's that's where I'm at this.
This is a spell that you have

595
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.960
that you have like enemy spellcasters used
to get the attention of the players.

596
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:14.199
No PC ever takes this settle.
There was an actual play show I was

597
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.320
listening to that was and they admitted
from episode one that these are mostly new

598
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:22.440
players. Yeah, and one player
had it and this is my favorite instance

599
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.480
of r tfs to read the freaking
spell. Yeah, and they get into

600
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.960
a fight with a wolf and the
player goes, I'm gonna cast dancing lights.

601
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.639
The DM goes, okay, yeah, what happens? He goes,

602
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:36.800
well, I mean we used to
spell out loud, So he goes,

603
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.480
so, how much damage do I
do? Yeah, you might get the

604
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:45.199
Yeah, you might get the wolf's
attention. Perhaps that's why I stopped listening

605
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.119
to that show. Yeah, but
yeah, it doesn't do a lot.

606
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.039
It does what it says. Yeah, it's like light in that regard.

607
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.039
There might be there might be some
narrative stuff that you can do with it,

608
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.679
but it's Yeah, it's not super
brack. Yeah, I mean you

609
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.239
can drop light down well, put
it on a coin, but dancing lights,

610
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.559
I mean one hundred and twenty feet. It can definitely be helpful,

611
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.960
especially as you just send something and
you can see what's beneath you. You

612
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:15.039
got to maintain concentration on it.
You lights fire and forget you cast it

613
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.480
and you don't have to worry about
it. Yeah, what do you want

614
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:23.960
to put this? Yeah? Is
it that bad? Joe? Oh?

615
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:31.320
Yeah, I mean I don't think
it is, but it's no. I'm

616
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:36.239
with Jim on this one. We're
going yes. Sorry, d for dancing

617
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:43.440
lights yep. Mage hand is a
conjuration cantrip with the casting time of one

618
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.679
action, the range of thirty feet
verbal and somatic components, and a duration

619
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:51.480
of one minute. A spectral floating
hand appears at a point you choose within

620
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.719
range. The hand lasts for the
duration or until you dismiss it as an

621
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.119
action. So while you were reading
all that, I put in an s

622
00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:59.719
here. I love this belt.
He's got one thousand and one uses.

623
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.480
I think every wizard has to have
it, every artificer it has to have

624
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:07.320
it twice the entire classes. What's
the road class that is based on like

625
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.840
making it better. Yeah, I
think it's just thing. It's a staple,

626
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.239
Yeah, because I think they can. You can pick locks with it

627
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:16.760
or check for traps with it.
I've seen it. I've seen it use

628
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.760
that way. Yeah. The road
version is is it visible? I want

629
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.480
to put it out of s and
into age, just out of spite,

630
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:30.320
because it is. There is no
other spell in the entire spell book that

631
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.559
you're going to have to say no
to a player more often than with this

632
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.880
spell. Out of sheer annoyance.
I would reduce the letter grade, but

633
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:43.840
it is. It is other than
that. It is yeah, absolutely excellent,

634
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:49.079
quintessential awesome magic, more than thumaturgy. What's that more than thumbaturgy that

635
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.559
players think is major illusions? Oh
yeah, yeah for sure, for sure.

636
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:58.079
The big thing with made Hand is
can I have it do this thing

637
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.920
that sets off a chain reaction that
does damage? But we're not going to

638
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.559
call it an attack, right,
that's the question you're constantly answering. You

639
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.800
know, Well, if I have
it, you know, pull this pebble

640
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.280
out, which then causes the avalanche, just the avalanche that's doing the damage,

641
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.400
right, not the pebble that it
pulled out it like no, no,

642
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.920
no, no no. If your
use of main chance ends and someone

643
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:23.639
taking damage, I say no,
but you're going to have that conversation constantly.

644
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.239
So Yeah. The common one is
like can I take a ten pound

645
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.440
brick and move it to thirty feet? That I can? And then and

646
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.400
then let go of it. It's
the brick doing the damage, and like

647
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:40.440
Noah type of thing. Okay.
I will keep it an st here with

648
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:45.719
an asterisk saying that you have to
have strong boundaries with your players and they

649
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.239
have to fully understand what they have, yes, and what shenanigans you will

650
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.559
and will not allow, I mean
order allow then right, allow the shenanigans

651
00:46:53.599 --> 00:47:00.639
and have fun interesting as long as
it's clear. Yeah, but I'm just

652
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.400
saying as a d M I award
for creativity. Yah, yeah, I'm

653
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.360
protionnanigans in that what's the name of
that place with all the ship on the

654
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:15.840
walls? I guess right, we
got a few left u Joji Priest also

655
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.920
readers resistance. Yeah, it's an
abjuration. Can trip you touch one willing

656
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.199
creature once before the spell ends.
The target can roll a D four and

657
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:28.320
add the number rolled one saving throw
of its choice. I guess this is

658
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:34.719
up there with guidance, right,
Not quite, because guidance is like any

659
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.719
stability check. Yeah, but this
is a saving I feel like this is

660
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:43.679
a instead of S. But it
is pretty great because you can do that

661
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:47.719
thing where before you go into the
room with the pastor you can have somebody

662
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.440
throw that on you and then you
know that you have that that bonus.

663
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.840
So yeah, it's it's instandibility checks. It's yeah. Yeah. So if

664
00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.960
it's against something like a powerful entity
that you know you're going to be having

665
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:04.199
to do a lot of saving throws, wisdom saving throws, then you can

666
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.000
apply it to that. I think
the use case and the ability to even

667
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.920
use it now using it as an
action means you have to anticipate that that's

668
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.000
going to happen. If this was
a reaction, then you can do it

669
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.920
like like in response to something.
Almost I we're almost put magic rules out

670
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.199
of this one. Then we've got
something really really big there. Also,

671
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.519
I want to take points away just
because it's really hard to search for,

672
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:30.320
you know, artistic Google resistance five
E. I get the spell. I

673
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:36.440
would like to see to hear this
if what what? Yeah, I think

674
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:40.360
the use case is way, way, way narrower than guidance. No way.

675
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.280
Anytime you know you're going into a
situation where you're going to need a

676
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.440
save, all right, where would
you put this? I'd put it in

677
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:54.719
a yeah, yeah, I think
it's in a like at worst to be

678
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.000
definitely not a safe, definitely not
a SA. Then I'm the one not

679
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.920
seeing the possibility, maybe because I
was like, this is what this is

680
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:07.559
the kind of stuff clerics do,
ye artificers certainly. Yeah. Yeah,

681
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:12.360
it's also like the kind of analogy
to you're kind of immunizing them against something

682
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.039
that's going to happen at a later
time. It's it's the next minute,

683
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:20.000
it's it's it's that thing where it
lasts for a minute, Yeah, which

684
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.039
is more than enough time to kick
a door down and get into a big

685
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:29.159
fight. So yeah, I will
be the one avoid at this time.

686
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:36.159
Also, just like how adorable the
cute little miniature that really for me,

687
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:45.880
it almost pushes it into an s
here Tyler cloak, so cute. Next

688
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:50.079
show you want to read us vicious
mockery. Yes, vicious mockery is an

689
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:54.000
enchantment can trip you unleash a string
of insults, least with subtle enchantments at

690
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:58.079
a creature you can see within range. If the target can hear you,

691
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.440
though it need not understand you.
It must succeed on a wisdom saving throw

692
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:07.119
or take one D four psychic damage
and have disadvantage on the next attack role

693
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.559
it makes before the end of its
turn. Absolutely solid a level part spell

694
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.079
as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, and just because it's so much fun

695
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.119
to role play. Oh my god. You know, anytime anybody casts that,

696
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:21.360
I say, well, what do
you say that? Yeah, exactly,

697
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:23.760
And it's just it's it's fun for
the whole table. Yeah, a

698
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.519
D four is not a whole lot
of damage, but the disadvantage is pretty

699
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.400
yes, yes, but it is
a saver or sucks spell. It is,

700
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:36.000
It's true, but it's a wisdom
save. Yeah, cool vicious mockery

701
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.840
eight tier. Yeah. If this
was a D six or got bit of

702
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:43.199
D eight, this could be,
yes, But a D four is just

703
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.519
like not a lot and disadvantage is
like cool but not great. Yeah.

704
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:52.400
I like this, But it's also
one of those things where like the bard

705
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:54.960
typically is hanging back and not in
the middle of the fight, and so

706
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:01.519
oftentimes that advantage is helping out your
fighter or you know, whoever's on the

707
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:06.079
front line getting swung at, So
it's almost like a buff in some ways.

708
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:13.400
Eldritch Blast needs no introduction as a
casting time of one action range.

709
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:21.480
If a true striker would give us
a D minus tier, Eldrich Blast is

710
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:25.320
giving us an S plus tier.
It's a It's a first level spell masquerading

711
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.400
as as a trip. This is
like what we're and the fact that the

712
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.280
beams increase right at certain levels,
it's just increased damage to increased beams.

713
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.119
You can them and they each have
their own attack roll. Yes, yeah,

714
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:43.679
that's unbelievable spell this, this is
the reason to take a world out.

715
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.719
This entire bills based on breaking this
in half, like caffeine lock and

716
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:52.119
cocaine lock and those type of swre
locked builds that are just built on just

717
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:57.760
taking this this little eighty baity evocation
cantrip and just snapping it over your knee,

718
00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.880
breaking the whole game in half,
and now overload again. This.

719
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.320
Yeah, this is what your character
does now. It's here to have this

720
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.119
entire packet here, and I want
to see the I want to see the

721
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.559
player's character sheet. That just says
Eldrich blasts, yeah, in small print

722
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:15.119
in crayon. It's insane. And
then you have some Warlocks they are almost

723
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.840
like, I guess I'll do an
Eldritch blast again. Yeah, yeah,

724
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:25.000
you're wasting spell slots otherwise something if
you chose to play Warlock and you're like,

725
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:28.480
I don't really want to just do
the same thing over and over again,

726
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:30.599
though, but I guess I'll just
Eldric blast. Meanwhile, the barbarian

727
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:36.199
next to you, right right,
I guess I just swing my ax again.

728
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.639
You can have a one page Playboy
just wizard to you, sir,

729
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.880
Yeah, exactly. If you are
bored by doing just the one good thing

730
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.400
you have, then okay, the
Warlocks maybe not for you, and neither

731
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.880
is Barbarian, but yeah, it's
it is just you want to see damage

732
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:57.719
dealing cantrips. This is this is
insane. It's so good. We got

733
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:04.519
a few left. Next is mending
its tiar is directly proportional to how many

734
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.840
opportunities your DM places in front of
you to use it. Yeah. I

735
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:15.119
can see uses for it in a
narrative way, but the gym's point,

736
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.280
how often if you're in a nautical
campaign and you can use it to repair

737
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.760
sales, for example, Then then
that makes it super cool if you are

738
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:29.360
in a you know again, if
you're doing a court intrigue thing and you

739
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:34.039
know a rip in your dress would
be catastrophic and you can kind of surposly

740
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:39.119
magic it closed or something like that. Help helping the noble fix her dress

741
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:45.719
would get your favorite exactly but slip
ribber situation, the broken key situation,

742
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.960
super narrative, what does exactly what
it says? Yeah, I don't know

743
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.639
if this is bad enough b C. No. I put it in b

744
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:58.840
with like press to digitation and someone
found some of those other ones that are

745
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:04.000
very situation. If present digitation is
be then that an interesting you know that

746
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.920
a player that's interested in story can
like. And that's a thing where if

747
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.000
you take it as a player,
you tell the DM you took it.

748
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:14.679
You're like, I took mending.
I want some interesting opportunities to use it.

749
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:16.599
I want that to be part of
you. Whatever his background is a

750
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:21.280
cobbler or something like that, you
can Yeah, and I would say too

751
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.559
that you have a cobbler in our
campaign. Be creative, you have a

752
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:30.800
cobby bending, We're gonna put on
betier. Speaking of these kind of spells

753
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:32.920
that you can cast and then they
last until they go off when you want

754
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.280
them to true strike. We've got
one action concentration up to one round for

755
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:42.559
the duration. You extend your hand
and point a finger at a target and

756
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.639
range. Your magic grants you have
brief insight into the target's defenses. On

757
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:51.440
your next turn, you gain advantage
on your first attack role against the target,

758
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.639
provided this spell hasn't ended. While
you were reading that, I put

759
00:54:54.679 --> 00:55:00.280
that in D tier. Yeah,
I don't think so. So it's it's

760
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.480
a combo spell. As a magic
player, I would I would think that

761
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:08.159
you would have more appreciation for combos. What combo does a bar source for

762
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.480
a warlock or a wizard have available
to them for the spell? I mean

763
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.320
only they themselves can get advantage on
another attack. Yeah, but it's like

764
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:20.880
if you're going to use a touch
attack spell. The fact that this costs

765
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.960
an action, it's that's an action
that I could have just also attacked.

766
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:29.360
Oh you know what, it's only
the durations. Only around round is concentration.

767
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:34.239
Yeah right, another concentration for a
minute or something like that. Then

768
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.440
Yeah, so I guess I guess
the round is the rounds over at the

769
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.800
end of your next turn. Yeah, round, not turn right. So

770
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.000
but but still it's I'm with you. I'm with you on that. I

771
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:49.840
wasn't. I wasn't paying as much
attention I should. It's worse than doing

772
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.360
two attacks. Yeah, if it's
the next thing that you're going to do,

773
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.440
yes, yeah, you get the
advantage and they both would have hit.

774
00:55:54.559 --> 00:56:00.000
That's yep. Now if this was
bonus action and didn't have to just

775
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.000
be yourself. Now now we've got
a spell here, yeah, yeah,

776
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.840
give the rogue of the advantage.
You needs to sneak attack. Well,

777
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.800
even if it was just a bonus
action, you know, just for you,

778
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:14.960
then you could get get it for
like I said, yeah, that's

779
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.199
spell attack. It's two different ends
of two different ends of spectrum at that

780
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.719
point. At worst, it is
worse than attacking, and it is only

781
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.079
available on classes that already had bad
attacks. True strike D tier And if

782
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.039
I could make an E tier and
F tier I put it there. I

783
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:30.840
believe, And this is this is
this is not a hot take at all.

784
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:36.239
This is the worst. Can't trip
Oh okay, I think we need

785
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.840
to breathe after something like that.
I'm going to skip over some of these

786
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:43.360
last ones that weren't all that great
and didn't really spark any interesting conversation.

787
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:46.559
We were going at for two hours. At this point we were almost scraping

788
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:52.199
the bottom of us being funny.
Uh, Druid Kraft is basically present digitation

789
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:55.000
for druids. So we threw that
and beats here next to President education of

790
00:56:55.079 --> 00:57:00.079
course and magic stone, total garbage
waste, a bonus act just to create

791
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:06.119
a worse weapon than anything you'll already
have, d tier. It's it's junk.

792
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.880
Throw it away. And with that, there's only one left, and

793
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:15.440
it's an interesting one. We've got
one left show if you'll please read us

794
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.079
in code thoughts, code thoughts.
This is from the guild Master's Guide to

795
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.400
Rabnika Cason. When are we seeing
that it's exclusive to that book? Yes,

796
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.119
yeah, I think so. I
think there's it's there's got to be

797
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.440
a magic card, fald in code
thoughts, I must imagine. I don't

798
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.159
think so, head, I don't
know, but it sounds like a magic

799
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:36.239
sounds like something like a blue magic
card. Blue green would be the semic

800
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:37.960
guilt. Yeah, okay, there
we go. All right, You pull

801
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:43.199
a memory and idea or a message
from your mind and transform it into a

802
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:49.000
tangible string of glowing energy called a
thought strand, which persists for the duration

803
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:53.599
or until you cast the spell again. The thought strand appears in an unoccupied

804
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:59.280
space within five feet of you as
a tiny, weightless, semi solid object

805
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.360
that can be held and carried like
a ribbon. Casting this spell while holding

806
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a thought strand allows you to instantly
receive whatever memory, idea, or message

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thoughts strand contains who that is by
far the most high concept can't trip that

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00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:20.519
we have discussed just for all of
that text. Uh, this is a

809
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.760
lot going on there. It's super
cool. It's very cool. Yeah,

810
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:27.599
this is this is a psychic,
like a psychic exactly. That is totally

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what it is. Yeah. Oh, using the wand to pull a little

812
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:30.880
thing out of his head. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've

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00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:36.480
seen the spell used twice in that
pod, once in each of the two

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campaigns that Emily Expert was dming.
And she has a very cool way of

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just like using it as a tool
within the storytelling so that you can have

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secrets get passed along from a character
that is no longer in the scene.

817
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:52.119
Oh yeah, I mean it's a
great way for the damn to convey information

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00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.320
in that one way kind of thing. You just get that one image and

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then you know you've got to try
and act on and figure out what it

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00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.719
means and stuff like. So cool
DM tool? Is this a cool player

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00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.679
tool? I mean, there's a
lot easier ways to communicate with people?

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00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:10.719
Is this it is? It is
a Wizards Steves can kind of yes,

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something like that. It's going to
get used just as much. So let

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00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.719
me let me this way. We
have message in a tier it's yeah,

825
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.480
but this has to be left like
it's very different than it's very different the

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message is this B or as low
as C I put it in it like

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B because it's interesting, but no
higher than that because of kind of how

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fiddly it it is. Yeah,
and that very high concept and that feels

829
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.360
like the same reasoning that we have
behind behind Thombaturgy and druid Craft and mending.

830
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:42.079
We put mending it. Yeah.
I think that's the only reason belonged.

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This is one of the This is
one of those ones where a player

832
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.280
that thinks it's super cool is going
to take it. You know, tell

833
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.239
your d M you took this,
so that they can give you the opportunity

834
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:54.559
where it makes sense to use it. Yeah, I can, I can

835
00:59:54.599 --> 01:00:00.840
get behind and thought. So that
is it for that. So it let's

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01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:06.280
recap everything. So I've got In
B tier we got friends, blade Ward,

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01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.239
dancing Lights, true Strike, and
magic stone. Just unusable garbage.

838
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:14.599
D tier. This is kind of
like just okay, reusable everything that does

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01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:17.760
damage in a five foot radius around
you see tier this is usable, but

840
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.280
kind of madge. It's not that
interesting. There's better stuff out there.

841
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:25.000
We got Frostbite, shapewater, mind
sliver, mold Earth, poison spray,

842
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:29.719
sword Burst, gust, infestation,
control, flame, Thunderclap, Create,

843
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.880
bonfire, sacred Flames, sapping,
staining, and word ir radiance. B

844
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.719
Tier, Now we got some spells
going on. This is like where the

845
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.840
game starts getting interesting. B Tier
got shocking, Grasp, acid splash,

846
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:45.559
press, the Digitation, Thomaturgy,
ray or Frost told It Dead, druid

847
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.840
craft, mending and encode thoughts.
A tier is where we're starting with the

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01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.519
really good stuff. This is the
message Firebolt, the layly Spare, the

849
01:00:53.679 --> 01:01:00.320
Dying, Booming Blade, chill Touch, final Savagery, thorn Whip, lightning,

850
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:05.159
Lore, Resistance and vicious mockery.
And s tire. This is either

851
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:10.840
game breaking or game making spells where
we get minor illusion guidance, light produced

852
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.239
flame, mage hand and Eldrich blast. Oh yeah, I stand by this

853
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.239
whole list. M hm, that's
pretty good. If you are screaming at

854
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.679
your podcast player right now and thinking
that we made some boneheit decision or we

855
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:30.119
don't understand how a sleeve you can
you can send us a strongly worded email

856
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:34.519
to Hello Adventurers Podcast at gmail dot
com. Or if you're smuggly nodding that

857
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.800
we've done everything completely right, you
can tell us that too. Yeah,

858
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.360
if you don't want to scream at
us, please don't scream at us that

859
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:44.239
people don't send us you a finger
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860
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.079
podcast dot com slash voice leaves a
voicemail and to tell us your thoughts on

861
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:51.719
our tier list. The image of
this is going to be available in the

862
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:53.199
show notes. You can kind of
see where we ended up and the list

863
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:57.079
to do the tear maker yourself.
If you want to send us your version

864
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.280
of it will also be in the
show notes. This episode was a dreaming

865
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along, so I'm not gonna drag
out the ending any longer than they already

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have. So I'm Jason Bortizo,
I'm Joe McCall, I'm Jim Crocker,

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and this has been Low Adventurers.
Your hosts Jason Bortizo, Joe McCall and

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01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:15.400
Jim Crocker, Producer, editor,
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01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.800
by Nick Spurrier, artwork by Christen
Broderick, and with nothing else to say,

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01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.519
we'll just say By Adventures