Aug. 12, 2024

An Unwelcome Thief, A Hilariously Broken Cantrip, and "Maybe They're Just Good Actors?" [RPG Horror Stories]

An Unwelcome Thief, A Hilariously Broken Cantrip, and "Maybe They're Just Good Actors?" [RPG Horror Stories]
An Unwelcome Thief, A Hilariously Broken Cantrip, and "Maybe They're Just Good Actors?" [RPG Horror Stories]
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An Unwelcome Thief, A Hilariously Broken Cantrip, and "Maybe They're Just Good Actors?" [RPG Horror Stories]

In this episode of 'Hello Adventurers,' hosts Jason Portizo, Joe McCall, and Jim Crocker dive into some of the most memorable RPG horror stories, highlighting common challenges faced by players and Dungeon Masters. They explore tales from Reddit,...

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In this episode of 'Hello Adventurers,' hosts Jason Portizo, Joe McCall, and Jim Crocker dive into some of the most memorable RPG horror stories, highlighting common challenges faced by players and Dungeon Masters. They explore tales from Reddit, including a disruptive player who stole from their party, a player who introduced an overpowered homebrew cantrip, and a real-life breakup caused by in-game events.

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Hello, as the podcast for role players and game masters

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that help level up your game. We are dungeon Masters.

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I'm Jason Portiso, I'm Joe McCall, and I'm Jim Crocker.

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And it is that time of the month where we

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start doing our our RPG horror stories. We want to read.

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We want to read about the worst of your games

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and see if we can actually level them up a

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little bit. Let's see if we can do our jobs

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as as podcasts d ms and see if we can

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fix some things. Somebody could do a good lightning crack sound. Yeah,

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I'll put it in right here. We'll see what We'll

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see what sound effect I can actually get. Unless I

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can't find a lightning effect for free, then I'll put

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in whatever I can find for free.

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It's just some kind of you just need, like a

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generic Wilhelm scream. Yeah, I get indicate that we're doing

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our horror story.

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I'll put a Wilhelm screaming right here. You know what

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I found out recently. This has nothing to do with

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d Indeed, the voice of the Wilhelm scream was the

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guy who's sang purple people eater.

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Yeah, yep, yep.

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Completely dislike like, just broke my reality around me anyway?

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Sixties trivia?

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Yeah, okay, we'll talk about it.

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Movie off the Air? Is he murdered on air? Is

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that it Isn't that the will help?

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Oh that was just thought.

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I'm thinking of the No, I'm thinking of the red

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hot chili Pepper's song. Oh there's a whole thing, gotcha.

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I try not to think of any red chi paper

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not ever anyway. Cool? Yeah, what are we talking about

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in the show D and D Yes? So I've got

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here a couple of stories that I pulled from reddits

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r slash RPG horror stories, sort of it by top

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stories of the month and skim through all the ones

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that are just about creeps touching people and try to

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get to the ones that actually just talk about playing

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the game.

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Yeah, those those aren't role playing horror stories.

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Those are just horrible, horrible stories. Don't be gross, don't

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be part of the human condition. Unfortunately unfortunately, So don't

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be those guys. And I think that covers all those stories,

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so or don't be those girls. And then also in

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one particular case, don't be those people. I'm not going

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to ignore the diversity that we're finally that we're finally

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seeing in our PG creeps. Yeah, all right, we're going

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to start with a story, and some of these, like

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the stories themselves, are kind of like some of the

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kind of go in a direction that I don't want

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to go into, So we'll just kind of use the

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the idea of the story to get some kind of

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discussion out of this. So I don't think this one

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is one of the cases. So let's hear from user

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a cyber red Loaf with a story called player character

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steals from party. Player cries metagaming when his character gets caught,

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and I've seen this one happen firsthand. But yeah, let's

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read about their game during a descent game. I'm not

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sure if this is descent like a Descent to Avenue sort,

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or if they made during a decent campaign. It might

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be a decent, but decent is is capitalized. I'm gonna

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guess this is decent to have vernest during a descent

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campaign with some folks. One of the players is a

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rogue dwarf. We took skill Expert as a level one

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feet because we're allowed to, and so he has a

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plus nine to sleight of hand at level one. We

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all begin at Elterrell and the second everybody is introduced,

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he pick pockets every party members money without us noticing.

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Once we set up camp, he snaks into everybody's packs

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and steals their stuff. He gets caught by one of

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us keeping watch that night because he rolled low for once,

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and he immediately breaks character and says we're ganging up

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on him just because he's playing his character. Well, we

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take all of our belongings back and then we get

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attacked by dire wolves. Wor in question runs away from

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the fight to steal from the NPCs. That's where that

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session ended. Me and the others are talking to the

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DM about booting him for his little tantrum. So, yeah,

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that's it. That's a whole story. Player forgot that there's

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actual enemies in the game and chose to make his

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party members his enemies. You hate to see it, you do.

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Well, I mean I hate to see a DM that

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just that allows that just from the jump. Yeah, you

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know you're you're telling everybody what to expect from your

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campaign if you let somebody do that, yep, from the beginning,

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rather than than nix it.

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Yeah, I think the PvP does not start an end

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with combat. I think any action.

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Yeah, that's a real good way to put that.

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Any any action towards another player is PvP, including contest

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a slide at hand versus perception. Yeah. Yeah. And also,

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this is a really common thing that I see with

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a lot of like character building, where everyone's a variant

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human now and everyone just gets a free feed level one,

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and like, is that is there a reason why only

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humans get that? Is it to avoid stuff like this

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where we have, you know, a dwarf with a plus nine?

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Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's it's to avoid stuff like this.

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It's because you're doing the math whatever, you know, the

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game balance math whatever, like spiffs that you get for

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choosing a non human species are ostensibly that feet is

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going to balance out against that. Yeah, so you know,

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you break that balance if you decide that you're going

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to give everybody that bonus feet at first level.

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So the whole point of like race features is to

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give you a boost, and humans don't really get them

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because we are not fantastical creatures. That's part of the balance,

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right exactly. Yeah, we're not gonna we're not gonna get

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dark vision, We're not going to get you know, free

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hellis rebuke you know, right, right, But we can be

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really really good at like acting or cook or something

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or whatever whatever. Feet you take a level one. But yeah,

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there's a reason why you why only humans get that level.

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Now granted every player is getting them, so is that balanced?

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You know, that's kind of you know whatever, right, But yeah,

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Well the important thing here is the is not considering

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theft PvP, yeah, or recognizing the PvP and being okay

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with that. Yes, that's a different thing.

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And letting everybody know up front at session zero, right

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that hey, pvps on the tables is on the table, Like,

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we're not gonna I'm not gonna allow out right, you know,

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violence or combat, but you guys are allowed to you know,

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even that far. Because there is something that comes up

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specifically in to send to a firness that basically there's

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a shield that is spoiler alert, there's a shield that

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is inhabited by a pit demon or pit fiend pit

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fiend I think, or something like that, some sort of devil, yeah,

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devil that basically tries to get a player to work

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for it, but under the guise of it being something

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holy not something.

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Yeah, I just I just excess that. I just boot

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that right out of that module. I don't I don't

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need that kind of nonsense in my game.

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But yeah, So that was one of the first campaigns

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that I had ever DMed, and that was like, that

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was part of my learning experiences, Like I let that happen,

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and I was.

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Like, oh, yeah, so that can turn bad really.

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Fair fellow messy with the with the player makeup that

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we had, and that was a player's thing too. The

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expectations just weren't fully say yeah, and unfortunately the game

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kind of fizzled out well like immediately after that, so

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we didn't really get to like undo anything.

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And like, I'm real curious about that player, like, you know,

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crying about meta gaming, whether like is this a thing

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where they like all of that pickpocketing of their friends

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that they were doing. Was that like secret notes passed

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back and forth to the d M and the players

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didn't know what was going on or did it happen

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in the open at the table and the DM said, Okay,

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you succeed in your pickpocket but you know, okay, so Joe,

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you successfully pickpocket Jason, but Jason important that you understand

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that because he succeeded on the role. Like as players

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we know that, but your character doesn't know that that happened, right,

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and then like when you finally get caught, I don't

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think there's anything like there's no metagaming there at all

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for everyone to go that's where all our gold went, right,

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you know, like like it's not like it's one thing

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if like like if you're no kidding caught red handed,

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like going through people's stuff and you know, and then

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everybody starts looking through their own stuff and they're going like,

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wait a minute, my necklace is missing, hold on, where's

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my ring? Like that? I mean, that's not metagaming. That's

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just like you know, you caught the asshole.

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Yeah, And this is it's important to note too that

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I believe this is like day one they yeah, yeah,

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they're doing the optional exactly optional additional part of this

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campaign where they start in Eltera L, which doesn't happen

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I believe in in the.

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In the book as we're in. That's interesting.

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That's an additional thing that like additional module that you

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can get that's through DM DM skilled.

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Didn't we do that?

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Yeah?

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I I bought that additional module.

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And it was so funny to me that that the

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final line of that, and so now we're having a

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conversation about kicking this guy out because he had a tantrum,

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and it's like I would be having a conversation about

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kick him out because.

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He's a thief, right.

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You know, It's one thing to play the character class

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of rogue. It's another thing to just be a thief, right,

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And like, I don't, I don't, I don't need that,

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Like that's that's something that's demonstrated.

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Yeah too, but just like but even that, you're like

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wasted so much.

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Yeah, and it's like, you know, if there's not a

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purpose to it in the game other than like, well,

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that what my character would do, which, by the way,

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let me just say this right up, and I said

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it before, but if it's your first time joining us,

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let me just let you know, welcome to the show.

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First all, well, yeah, welcome to the show. But also

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I hate that excuse, like, well, that's what my character

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would do, you know.

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My character. We're about to find out my character would

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do with the same thing that my person would do

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that I would do. But so so they started out,

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oh so this is like day one that we all

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just met. So like I think of this like our

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kids there used to be the show. MTV used to

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have shows, or maybe they still do, but it was

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called the Shows.

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Yeah yeah, it was called the Real World and a

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bunch of strangers. Yeah, a bunch of strangers that didn't

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know each other to sens when you stop being polite

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and start being real, start being real.

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Yeah.

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But so I'm saying right is like this is your

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real world. You're a bunch of people that, like you,

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find yourself in a circumstance together and like all of

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a sudden, your stuff starts going missing, like it's your

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first day meeting somebody, Like, yeah, you are going to

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be like, wait, that's that guy we just called it. Yeah,

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it's definitely that guy. I was missing something before and

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I noticed that I was missing something, or now that

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I look, I noticed that I'm missing a couple of things.

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We just caught you red handed, Like you're not getting

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ganged up on that. It's called consequences for your action.

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Yes, And if I were the people that you know

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besides that dwarf, I would be thinking about not only

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booting that player, but looking for a different DM, or

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at least having a conversation with the DM about saying, hey,

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we don't we want this to be a table where

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that kind of happened stuff doesn't happen. Can we please,

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you know, put a lid on that.

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So scroll through the comments and someone says, kind of

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what we the first thing we thought was was all

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I can hear is we had no session zero. Yeah. Yeah,

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And you know you say you have a conversation with

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the DM, You're supposed to have one before you start

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the game. It's called session zero. They say, yeah, we

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were just all introduced to a tavern, managed to stop

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a bar fight. Then Elterell went by, by, which I

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guess might be a spoiler. Spoiler alert has a massive spoiler.

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It happens, it happens stuff boiler th.

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The Delterrelle stuff more like Xterra element Right. Then someone

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else says, if none of you guys know this guy

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is not worth the effort of talking to him or

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educating them, just get rid of them. Says he's a

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friend of the DM and nobody else. So you know,

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you talk to the DM, be like hey, this is

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this is your friend. Get them in line, and we

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can't play this game. And my favorite comment this is

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basically the Fat Fox speed run. So yeah, this is

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I mean, there's no there's no non obvious advice in

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this one. Well, but this is also actually you know what, Yes,

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there is non obvious advice, and it's one of the

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first things that I that I mentioned another player or

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another commentator. He st four h two says, you know,

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does he have a twenty decks at level one? A

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plus nine shouldn't be possible unless he's already maxed out.

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M m. Someone yeah, and then it says it doesn't work.

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Rules is written, but if you use the customized origin

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rules on D and D beyond, which is part of

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Tasha's you can put both the mountains towards plus two,

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say in decks, and then the skill master gives plus one.

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You can get that twenty at level one with point

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by or standard array, or if you just rolled and

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rolled rolled particularly well, which I'm guessing.

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I'm guessing that this thief might do might roll particularly

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particularly well.

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And then someone else says, welcome to the terrible dark

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magic that is rolling for stats. But when its feeds

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at first level and using Tasha's variant ability score rules,

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it's fun. But sometimes players use it to make very

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unbalanced and early level quote unquote builds. And this reason,

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in my opinion, that sentiment isn't broken is because it's

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supposed to be a choice between leveling your core stat

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to twenty or waiting to level eight. That's much more

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appealing than just raising your commad by one. So but yeah,

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it's like combining all of this new variant rules. You know,

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you're giving people free feets for no reason. Yeah, this

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is also the DM you know, doing a fat too

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speed run everyone's finding out today. So yeah, lots to

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learn from this one.

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Does sound like this is a newer DM and kind

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of fell into the same pitfall that I know I

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kind of did first.

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The other thing that I wanted to just sort of

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interject here is that the other conversation that you can

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have is like whether gold even matters in your game,

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because in my games it tends not to. It tends

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to just be kind of a market. Yeah, if you

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from the job you want money, shut up from the jump.

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If you say go.

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Get a jupant money, that bad.

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Like, yeah, there's a reason for it, though, there are

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some things trapped behind paywalls, like diamonds.

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Sure that you need to guess certain spells make it.

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Clear at the beginning. If you make it clear at

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the beginning that you're going to treat it as a

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group resource, then like, then then that just takes ship

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like your buddies just off the table, because it doesn't

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you know, like if if if the only number we're

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keeping track of is okay, the party has twenty thousand gold,

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it doesn't matter whether you know, the paladin's lugging it around,

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you know, on his back in a great big chest,

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or the wizard has it in a little bag in

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the form of a dozen gems or something like that.

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You know, then then that that just takes that stuff

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right off the table from the jump. And it also

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means that you know whatever, like you know, filching fifty

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gold from like a merchant or something like that becomes

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completely uninteresting, which is which is how I would like

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that with like.

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Just like any shared bank account that comes with a

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lot of trust and has to come from a partnership

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with that is based on trusts. Yeah, and you know,

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there's only two situations where you have a shared bank account,

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well three three situations you have a shared bank account.

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You can be married, you mean a dn D party,

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You can be business partners and that's kind of what

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a d ND party is is married business partners with kids,

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business partnership with slightly more sex. Yes, especially if there's

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parts of that party or dragon board. But yeah, you can't.

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You can't even start that conversation with somebody who's thieving

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from their own party. If you do get to prevent

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sieve me from your own party, have a much bigger

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problem before you get to the share bank account. Absolutely,

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And to Joe's point where like, yeah, yeah, you got

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things like you know, diamond dust or a vivifi that

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costs you a bunch of gold rather than finding gold,

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I'd rather give them a diamond that they can turn

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into dust. I think that. I think it's more interesting.

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If they want to plus one armor that bad and

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it costs like a couple of thousand gold, I'd rather

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be like, okay, well it costs as much. Well you

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guys have seven gold? Cool? What if you go kill

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this dragon for me? And I would give plus one armor.

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I think that's so much more interesting than gold and

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or stops and stuff. We get this at the games

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the game store, way more than the breweries where we

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get loop hungry players. But they're they're probably young there

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most of them, or they're just new players that I know,

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got guys in the thirties who just never played before

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and they think that this is what it went about exactly.

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Well, or they're they're coming to it out of like

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MMOs or something like that where that stuff.

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Matters fall out where I'm like, I need all the

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bottle cap so I exactly yeah, perfect example.

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So like that is my way of shaking them out

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of that. It's like, know the what we're actually after

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telling a good story and with the other and the

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method to get there is by getting by leveling up

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stuff like that. The other thing that you do.

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Actually at the games that you host to is you

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have that spray bottle and when people try to do that,

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you spray in with the water.

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Say nothing, like like a kid.

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I don't have that my brewery kit for the dry eraseports.

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So I'm just saying it, just saying it's got multiple

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purposes as all. And I do have a large bag

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of dice that I can throw if they really pissed

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me off. I have that that metal d one hundred.

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Now, let's get back to the show.

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Next one, let's do well, let's do two more of these,

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let's do let's do this. Let's do a really quick

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one and see if we can squeeze him a fourth one.

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This one is just funny and it's something that Joe

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and I have actually dealt with firsthand. And what I

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read this to B like, isn't it ridiculous? And he's like,

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wait a second, and yes, it is ridiculous. This is

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coming from a user us. Your name is actual Keanu Reeves.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna dispute whether you're the actual counter

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mightbe might be the title of the post is player

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tried to sneak in an overpowered Homebrew cantrip. All right,

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so super short post as a title said as one

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of the players in the group that I DM for it,

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took a Homebrew cantrip for his warlock that let him

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roll six D twelve as a bonus action without a

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material cost, ritual, or concentration at level four. He never

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even asked if Homebrew was okay, and seemed upset when

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I told him he needed to switch that spell out

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for something in the books. Wild to me that some

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people get upset when you won't let them be so

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overpowered that destroys any semblance of difficulty balance. Also, I

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now feel like I should look over his character sheet

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to make sure he isn't trying to sneak in other

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pieces of a BS in there. Wait, what do you

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mean I can't What do you mean I can't do that?

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Was he upset that you didn't allow it, or that

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you were like laughing hysterically clutching your sides.

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Hold on, what spell is that? Eldridgema? It's just completely

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insane and there's nothing to talk about for this particular story.

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It's like, Yeah, that's dumb. I can't believe you thought

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you get away with that. Don't do this. But this

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opens up like a couple of different things. So first

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of all, he's like, oh, now I have to look

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over his character sheet. Maybe you should? Yeah, you should,

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you should? Anyway, I don't. I don't think you know.

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I'm let's let's put this on the table for a second.

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How do you guys feel about going over your player

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your player's character sheets and approving them? Is that something

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you do, Like.

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If I'm running stuff at the store or you know,

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or like in a brewery or something like that, and

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it's pregens, then we pregens.

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You don't have to because you already did.

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There's a certain like I don't want to spend a

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lot of time policing people, but a quick glance. Yeah, yeah.

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And I also kind of like there's also a way

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to kind of treat this as more like a positive thing.

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And it's like some of us may be new to

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the game, you know, and we're all going to make

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sure that we're all playing according to the rules, because

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that makes sure that we're all on the same page

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about stuff. And if you notice that somebody has maybe

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made a mistake or misinterpreted something, call it to the

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attention of the table, and we'll all talk about it,

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and we'll make sure that that's being played correctly. So

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that's a way of introducing the idea that if anybody

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goes too far off book right, that we're gonna you

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know that, like it's everybody's job to rein them back.

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And he gives everybody permission to say yeah, no, no, no,

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no cause because like if I'm sitting, like if I'm

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a player sitting next to that guy and he's pulling

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out his sixty twelve for his.

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Come what are you doing?

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Come on man, what do you like?

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What do you do? What do you doing? Do I

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stop at sixteen?

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Like everybody at the table should feel like they have

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permission to call bs on something like that.

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But you know.

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Whatever, a plus one here and there, or whether you know,

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somebody like actually doesn't have any level one spell slots left,

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they cast an extra magic missile. If you catch, you

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catch it. If not, you know, and we're all having

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fun and the game's rolling along, then the game's rolling along.

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You don't sweat it.

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Yeah, and stuff like that with with the with the

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matt with the spell slots, like, I'm not going to

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like check your spell slots. I have so much things

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to track, you know, just don't don't be abusive. And

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if you if you're casting, you know, you know, level

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three spells every single turn a level five, then we'll talk.

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But the table wow, right, yeah, it's it's a let

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he's level four, right, or the spells he's at level four. Yeah.

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So I'm saying like, I'm a level four whatever. I

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do a pretty good job, and I do you know,

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twenty or thirty points of damage?

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And then this guy does seventy.

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Sixty sixty twelves over here, Like I'm going to be like, wait,

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what excuse me? But yeah, don't don't do this. And

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I was gonna say, yeah, I thought you were starting

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to say, like, well, like if you're like a group

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of adults, But that's actually where I've had Rabbit, that's

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where Joe tell tell our story please.

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Yeah.

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So I just I had to go into somebody's and

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I didn't I never looked at player character sheets before this,

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but I had to go in somebody's having trouble finding

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something on their player character sheet.

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And we pretty.

470
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Exclusively play on using D and D beyond it's it's

471
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.480
I think it's a great resource, especially for new players

472
00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:22.720
and filling out the character sheet or whatever.

473
00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.319
We can go through the positives and negatives of that. Yeah,

474
00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:31.279
that's all episode right there. Yeah, actually the the next time. Yeah,

475
00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.240
but I like it, And so I was I was

476
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:36.759
trying to help, and then I like noticed a bunch

477
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.319
of green items, which in on D and D beyond.

478
00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.400
If it's a green item, it's a magic item. So

479
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.960
I'm like, wait, what I didn't nobody were like level

480
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.640
ones or something like, nobody should have magic items. There

481
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:49.559
was no magic.

482
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:52.839
Items, and I look and this player had added like

483
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:57.519
a couple of like like rare magic, very powerful magic items,

484
00:23:57.799 --> 00:23:59.000
Like what is this?

485
00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:04.839
And then I checked another person who was this person's

486
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.079
significant other, and they also.

487
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:12.759
Had a bunch of like rare powerful magic items, and

488
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:14.000
so I deleted them.

489
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:17.559
I remember why you had to check sheets, and can

490
00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:19.359
I can I can I blow them up a little bit? Yeah,

491
00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.759
I'm not going to I'm not gonnallusions. Okay, So this

492
00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:24.880
was the friend and the significant other, and then their

493
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.799
kid was also playing with us, so you can tell.

494
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.559
All the friends set up all their character sheets and

495
00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:32.640
we were looking up as the kid asked about specific

496
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:36.759
stats for their familiar, which, of course at level one

497
00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:41.599
was a sofa track. Yeah. Right, And Joe learned a

498
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:44.759
valuable lesson to just give just give it a glance again.

499
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.880
So now I now, again, that's a nice part of

500
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.960
D and D Beyond is that I can that you

501
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:54.279
can glance at everybody's at any given time.

502
00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.640
So we had another plant more recently that.

503
00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.759
Was having and this is turning into something else, but

504
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:02.759
that was having trouble with They kept casting a spell

505
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.599
and we're like, something doesn't seem right about this, and

506
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.680
we realized he was misreading. Was he misreading the spell

507
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:12.799
or I forget what it was? But we could go

508
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:14.759
into D and D beyond because he read it to us.

509
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:18.200
But what he read wasn't what exactly what the spell said.

510
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.839
Because I'm not at a point where I can I

511
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:22.759
know the spells off the top of my head. So

512
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.319
a lot of times I'll just rely on my players

513
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:27.839
and go, hey, like, read it back to me. You

514
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.119
read their interpretation. They read their interpretation.

515
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.119
No, no, no, no, read it verbatim please.

516
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:33.960
Now, So now that's a new thing I have to

517
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.119
do is go back and actually, yeah, again with D

518
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.000
and D beyond, I get too short, I get to

519
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:38.400
go and do that.

520
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:40.200
Actually, don't know what you're talking about that last one,

521
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.559
so we'll talk off. We'll off. I don't blow up

522
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.119
any particular player spots, although in next case it's fun Nick.

523
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.880
That probably was Nick, I think, I think, I know.

524
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:50.279
I figured it was Spell it was though, but it

525
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.680
wasn't Nick. Jimmy mentioned before that, like, I know you

526
00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.279
have Pregen characters, even for these one shots. For the

527
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.119
Brewery games, we do encourage them to use our Pregen's

528
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.759
just because we have no time to waste. But at

529
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.640
the game stores especially, you know, if it's advertising, they

530
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.279
know what level it's going to be, they'll come in

531
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.279
with their characters. And for for game store players, I'll

532
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.400
encourage them to play something they want to play. But

533
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.759
then but then I'm reading it twice and this actually

534
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:17.200
goes both ways. And this is why I want to

535
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.279
bring it up, because we'll have the occasional character that

536
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:23.039
throws in like a plus three weapon and you're like, no,

537
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.799
not everyone else gets that. And I know I had

538
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.640
one Debris last week where he built a pretty normal

539
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:31.559
level three cleric and he just had a magic item

540
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:33.319
in there, like a plus one armor or something. I'm like, hey,

541
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:35.799
I built all these characters without magic items, so just

542
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.279
just unequipped that and we're fine and now and now

543
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.640
you're on the same level as everybody else. But then

544
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.759
in the other direction, we get you know, new players

545
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.079
at these things. And it's particularly with Beyond. If you

546
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.799
don't equip a thing, you don't get the benefits of

547
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:52.839
that thing. Just adding it to your inventory is not

548
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.599
enough player at my game store games. Who is the

549
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.720
type of kid that like, you know, it doesn't it

550
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:00.440
doesn't like to make a lot of noise, you know,

551
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.720
draw a lot of attention to himself, although he mostly

552
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:07.200
exclusively plays rogues, But that's neither here nor there. So actually, yeah,

553
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:08.960
it makes a great good rogue, good.

554
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.599
Good class to play. I don't want to draw attention

555
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:14.279
to you. But she's not like the quiet kid that

556
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.039
won't talk who's playing a bard.

557
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:19.400
Yeah. Yeah, So after a couple of games, and he

558
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.160
had his character on Beyond on his phone and you know,

559
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.839
after a couple of sessions where I was like, no, like,

560
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.000
so I attack him like it does an eleven hit

561
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.359
and he's like yeah, I'm like don't think that's right,

562
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.440
because yeah, you know, ten plus your decks alone, forget

563
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.279
your armor should at least get you to thirteen or fourteen. Yeah,

564
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:37.920
So I'm like, let me see this, And I look

565
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:39.880
at his I look at his equipment, and he's got it. Know,

566
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:41.559
you know, he's got studded leather. He's got what he's

567
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:44.720
supposed to have. He didn't equip anything, yep. So like

568
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.599
so he sitting with an ac of like ten and

569
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:51.559
and just you know, getting trounced. So so I now

570
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.759
double check, especially younger and newer players, if they're using Beyond,

571
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.640
I check everything to make sure that you're correct for

572
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.440
for both reasons, because they overpower themselves and try to

573
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:05.640
be a sneaky little sneaky little boy and slipping the

574
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:09.039
silver dragon familiar or they might be it might be

575
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:10.920
the opposite, and they make a mistake that ends up

576
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.039
costing them a lot. So you should be given giving

577
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:16.200
your players it once over the game of playing. Now,

578
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.400
we built our character sheets together and I physically wrote

579
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:20.079
it out for them.

580
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.319
I mean, whenever you can, you want to do shared

581
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.759
character building. When I ran campaign games in the store,

582
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.200
that's what we did our first session was always we

583
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.240
build our characters together, and then you know.

584
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.160
I should I should point out this is that this

585
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.279
is going to be an ongoing.

586
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.400
Campaign yet, yes, absolutely, yeah, yeah, And because then if

587
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:40.359
you build all your characters together, then there's there's a

588
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.440
very little room for that kind of fudging. And everybody's

589
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:45.319
at the table at the same time as you're leveling

590
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:47.799
up and getting treasure and all that kind of stuff,

591
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.039
so there's there really isn't room to slip that sort

592
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:50.720
of stuff in there.

593
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.599
Yeah, this is also one player with some experience playing it,

594
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:55.720
like he's playing in Wana Joe's game as well and

595
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:57.799
then now playing in this one with me and a

596
00:28:57.799 --> 00:28:59.240
couple of one shots here and there, but it was

597
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.759
really only his second the full campaign. The one girl

598
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:03.920
she's only played one shots with me. The one guy

599
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:05.799
has only played one shots with me, and the other

600
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.519
guy has played like two one shots with me and

601
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.000
then one like five years ago in college and it

602
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.440
didn't go well. So like, so these are fairly inexperienced players,

603
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.400
and I get to like literally hold their hand to

604
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.039
be like, hey, let's go step by step and here's

605
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.720
everything to consider, and they're like things that they didn't

606
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.799
even know was on the table to consider. Yeah, and Jim,

607
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.799
you and I were talking about off Mike before we

608
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.119
started this episode about alternate character sheets rather than Beyond.

609
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.759
We were using character sheet by a more purple, more

610
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.480
better that'sn is it dot com MPMB dot com and

611
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:40.920
these did a lot of things that Beyond does for

612
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.599
you by like you know, automatically during your character sheet,

613
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.680
and we can we spent hours, will come up with

614
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.519
concepts and make an artwork and like really like it was,

615
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.000
we had a couple of beaters and it was like

616
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.160
some of the best times we've had hanging out and

617
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:56.839
we got characters out of it. We didn't play one

618
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.400
minute of an actual game, yep. And then all four

619
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:00.720
of us went to work the next day because we

620
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:02.400
all work together. But yeah, but like.

621
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.319
Those sessions can be as you know, there can be

622
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:06.759
as much creativity and fun going on in those because

623
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:10.279
you're asking background questions, awesome, trying the origins together and

624
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.079
stuff like that. You know, that's a lot of those,

625
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.400
A lot of those indie games I play, written into

626
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.960
the rules are Okay, your first session is going to

627
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.759
be making bonds with each other and all that sort

628
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.960
of thing. And I think you know, there's no D

629
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:26.559
and D game campaign that isn't just going to really

630
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:28.960
benefit from from that kind of approach.

631
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:30.960
I think we forget sometimes that D and D is

632
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.599
a team sport. Sure. I mean they walked into that

633
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.440
session zero with like rough character ideas and a couple

634
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.839
of like mechanics things that they wanted to do, and

635
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:43.880
like maybe a name, and they walked out excited for

636
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:44.240
this game.

637
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:45.960
Yeah, that's great. That that's the best way to go

638
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:47.200
to see if you can swing it that way.

639
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.559
Yeah. So all that to say, don't don't try to

640
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.839
sneak when past your DM under the DMS, don't let

641
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.559
people sneak when past you. And yeah, there's a there's

642
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:01.200
balance for a reason. Unbalanced games are not fun. All right,

643
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:04.000
let's build the T Jason, Let's do one more RPG

644
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:05.920
horror stories, because I feel like we're getting into like

645
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.319
DM academy territory with a lot of it. I think

646
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.000
this is just RPGT I think we just say, yeah,

647
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.160
we deserve, we deserve a horror story. Let's say it

648
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.640
like this is RPG gossip stories. Sure. All right. This

649
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.880
is from user, a British historian, and the title is

650
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.680
an out of character couple in my game just broke

651
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:28.720
up over a neat one. Okay, we have a rule

652
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.880
in our game that if your character is making an item,

653
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:33.799
you don't roll crafting on it right away. Rather you

654
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.200
wait intil the item is stress tested, then roll. I

655
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.559
actually don't hate that rule. This is to avoid players

656
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.880
just trying over and over again to craft something. Obviously,

657
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.519
this is mostly done calmly having a friend take a

658
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.839
swing at the new shield or whatever. But we had

659
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:49.759
a tense moment where the players are running across the

660
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:54.279
field down towards a cliff chased by bandits. The couple,

661
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:56.960
one a human fighter and the other a halfling artisan,

662
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.319
make it to the edge first. This cliff had an

663
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.200
old rope bridge that had fallen apart and was hanging loose.

664
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.559
The Halthleen set to work grabbing all the ropes and

665
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.680
was thrown to the other side by the fighter. After

666
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.079
one turn of the fighter and the two other players

667
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:14.799
holding off bandits, the bridge was ready. The Halthleen has

668
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.000
a plus eight to crafting. I say it's a rush job,

669
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.119
but it will have to pass on a DC fifteen

670
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.480
or DC ten if you wait a turn and continue

671
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.359
to work on it. Players decide to hold out another turn,

672
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:29.799
get a bit danked, but otherwise holding steady. Just before

673
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.440
the Halfleen's third go the fighter asked to use their

674
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.599
movement to cross the bridge with a DC ten. I

675
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.480
honestly didn't want to get too held up here, so

676
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.920
I say sure. They rushed first onto the bridge. Halfleen

677
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.759
gets a gnat one, No matter, last of the day,

678
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:48.720
Halfleen luck another gnat one. Bridge snaps, roll decks, Fighter

679
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.400
rolls at thirteen. Sure, fine, you grab onto the bridge

680
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:53.440
now hanging out with the far side of the cliff.

681
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:55.559
We all had a laugh and this seems like a

682
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:57.599
silly action movie moment, and thus led to the rest

683
00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:59.680
of the party leaping to grab the bridge like a

684
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.079
lap her and climb, jumping on top of the fighter

685
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:04.319
and naturally meeting The fighter was the last one up

686
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:06.759
and got shot by some arrows, but no real harm done.

687
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.799
Party escapes the crisis and sets up can to rest

688
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.559
and recover. So far, that's actually a pretty good, pretty

689
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.000
good action scene. Yeah sounds cool. Yeah, that sounds great.

690
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.599
Halfly apologizes to the party during the downtime, feeling really

691
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.880
bad about the bridge, and the fighter player was very

692
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.079
bite saying to the effect you always fail when it's important.

693
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.039
At the time, I read this as a very immersed

694
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.839
in character moment of the two characters, and it was

695
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.519
like watching two actors on stage be angry with each other,

696
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.480
and I thought it was all in kind spirits. Next

697
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:38.240
week we go to meet up and Fighter doesn't want

698
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.640
to play anymore after the last session, Halfleing says she

699
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.319
was apparently really upset about it and angry. They broke

700
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.400
up the next day after an argument about him coming

701
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.200
to the session. I'm sure there were other issues, but I.

702
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:51.480
Feel like a cat I thought there were just great.

703
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.319
I feel like a catalyst here. You always fail when

704
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:58.240
it matters, which like.

705
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.759
To see fighters. So the halfling was is the crafter.

706
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:06.000
The fighter is the one that that tried to cross

707
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.079
the bridge couldn't. Fighter says to Halfling, you always fail

708
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.320
and it's important. Yeah, and then it says, we go

709
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.559
to mean Yet the Halfling was upset by the fighters words. Yeah,

710
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.599
and that didn't show up. That broke up. Mm hmmm, yeah.

711
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:29.920
I mean that honestly sounds just like her every everything

712
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.039
leading up to that, Like that's a good game. I

713
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:37.599
actually that's an awesome sen game. I really I really

714
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.760
like that crafting mechanic where you when you roll on

715
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:43.159
using the item, not making it. That's great. Yep, that

716
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.639
feels so much more like plausible because they variant on

717
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.199
the d C but it depends if you want to

718
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:49.800
rush it or take a turn to do it. This

719
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.320
is like, this is good, Jemmy. And then it's like, yeah, sure,

720
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.719
you grab onto the thing and everyone's got to hoist

721
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.159
you up. That's a really cool moment.

722
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.119
Yeah. And and the craft and and it's also important.

723
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.320
I think that's the important thing is that the crafting

724
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:06.280
failure is not and everybody dies. It's oh, here's another

725
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.559
opportunity for adventure that that particular failure creates. Some other

726
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:12.519
people have to make some dice rolls and stuff like that.

727
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.159
What all it's doing is changing the situation as opposed

728
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.480
to you know, it doesn't auto dump everybody into whatever whatever.

729
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.159
Yeah. Yeah, this is this is handled so well the

730
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.039
whole way. It's been so long since I've seen a

731
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.840
good DM in these stories. A breath of fresh air. Yeah.

732
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.800
And also sometimes the dice have a story to tell.

733
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.719
It's kind of like when we used to play we

734
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.559
play a game called card Gets humanity. We had random

735
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.599
card lession and sometimes it was just like the game

736
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.079
was funnier than all.

737
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.320
Of you where that's where my old podcast came from,

738
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.360
from a from a joke about how good the random

739
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.960
cards were. But yeah, this obviously has nothing to do

740
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:48.599
with the game.

741
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.639
And what great rope plane by the halfling to take

742
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.920
that that thing that is like over the campfire the

743
00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.360
mechanics to take the mechanics and then turn that into man,

744
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.639
I really you know, I'm sorry I let you guys down,

745
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.079
and which is supposed to be an opportunity for the

746
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.800
other players to go, oh no, no, no, you know

747
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.760
your your gadgets have saved our lives more times than

748
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.400
we can count. And of course that's where the fighter says,

749
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.639
not every swing of my sword at a monster runs

750
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.039
it through the heart. Sometimes it requires more than one try,

751
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:22.440
and we know your.

752
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.119
Heart is in the one for the moral of the story.

753
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:33.280
Yeah yeah, and that's exactly why you suck to bring

754
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.159
it up in role play.

755
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:39.199
Like all I'm saying is she's single. We know she's single,

756
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.719
and she role plays And now that was the other

757
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:44.880
thing now needs a campaign so the dice have a

758
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.400
story to tell. Maybe the dice for telling a whole

759
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.320
different story of the whole time, like it was the

760
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.199
universe letting you know, like this was the guy for you,

761
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.360
her person for you. I don't know. Browsing through the

762
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.480
comments and like, you know, it's like, is it one

763
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.679
person using a one in four hundred chance to vent

764
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.480
at their partner like a child in public?

765
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:06.239
Yeah?

766
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.119
Yikes? Was it?

767
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.559
Like was it really good role play? And and the

768
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:15.239
halfling just took it wrong? Like either way, there's again

769
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.159
there's there's underlying issues here.

770
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:21.960
Maybe the ex boyfriend is just super immersive, like it

771
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:23.159
just happened to line up.

772
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:26.920
She had just lost her job, like you always fail

773
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.639
when it matters that period.

774
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.639
On the way home, he's like saying, it's what my character,

775
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:36.039
what do you.

776
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.360
Want, bro? Character would do? This is what my character

777
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.800
would do. Gives the ring back, he says, At the time,

778
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.920
I was like, oh, spicy, intercharacter conflict. Fun. And the

779
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.920
next day it was like, yikes, Wow, Brittany is a

780
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.400
much better actress than I ever thought. She was so immersed,

781
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.400
she was so immersious crying for a week. Yeah, oh

782
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.400
my god, I think I don't think going to top

783
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.079
that one this week now, I'm glad we chose the

784
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.800
t Yeah, yeah, that was that's awesome. Sorry for well,

785
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:08.280
you know, you know, good for her because that sounded

786
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.719
that sounded like it was. Yeah, it's on its way

787
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:12.679
out anyway. The dice are right on that one. And

788
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.559
if you need a table, if you have a seat

789
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:15.400
at a table.

790
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.599
Yeah, call me. So lose the whole ass man, that's

791
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.920
what they like. What the advice columnists would say, like,

792
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.519
you know, dun't that guy and his character.

793
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.679
As my mother used to say to my my female

794
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.159
friends in high school, it's like, so I heard you

795
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:30.920
just lost one hundred and fifty pounds of ugly fat.

796
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:38.199
So that's gonna do it for RBG horror stories this week. Unfortunately,

797
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.079
we have lots of these every single month, So send

798
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.199
us your awful stories from your worst games or you know,

799
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.639
players who completely mistook excellent moments in your great games

800
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:49.760
because that game sounded like it was going so well

801
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.239
and it's his loss for not showing up now, yeah,

802
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.119
teachable moments. Yeah. So, you can send your stories over

803
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.679
to your Hello Adventures podcast at gmail dot com or

804
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.000
tell us yourself Hello Adventures podcast dot com slash voice

805
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.000
and that like your story, You'll will tell it on

806
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.199
the show, and you know we'll react and give you

807
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.679
advice and just have a just have a good time,

808
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.880
like any good parasocial relationship your DMS. Yes, we're gonna

809
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.000
do a mail bag episode slash DM Academy episode pretty soon,

810
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.239
but I think that's gonna wrap it up for today. Guys,

811
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.480
Thanks for reading horrible stories with me, Anya So, and

812
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.159
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813
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.400
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814
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.800
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815
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:33.519
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816
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.800
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817
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:42.360
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818
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:44.960
GI will you rolled in that one? I'm sleeping in

819
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.679
our bed. I'm quitting the podcast.