Third-Party Book Club: Return of the Lazy Dungeon Master

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Hello Adventures, the podcast for role
players and game masters to help level up

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your game. We are your dungeon
masters. Jason Portiso, I'm Joe McCall

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and Jim Cracker. So today's episode
it's a it's a nice relaxing Friday.

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So I wanted to like kick back
and read a book with you guys.

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This is something that we tried that
we did literally once on the Curmudgeons Show,

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and that's something I really wanted to
come back and revisit and and said

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we just didn't do anything anymore.
But this is the we're calling this the

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third Party Book Club. They're so
so just there's just so many books.

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There's just so many, and I'm
just talking about the ones I own.

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There's still just so many more I
don't own. And this I find at

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least three three new ones to that
I that I put on my list.

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I think I'm a thick starting for
right now. It gets a bit ridict.

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I love Kickstarter books. I love
third party content creators. Oh yeah,

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I actually just bought one yesterday.
I completely forgott I don't remember.

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I think it was something it was
something about mysteries. It had something to

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do with mysteries. It was from
a blog and it was free, so

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I did the suggested donation through drive
through RPG. Oh yeah, yeah,

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like three dollars and fifty cents I
think is what I ended up haanging on

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it. Some really great some really
quickness that like don't make it too like

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full on distribution, end up on
drive through for pretty cheap and it's still

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there's still great books. Yeah,
what was it about? It's a mystery.

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Yeah, it is both. It
is about mysteries, but more than

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that is a mystery. Yeah,
I don't remember. Can we saw what

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Joe's book was about? Today?
We were going to be talking about one

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that was like the first third party
book that was suggested to me. I

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think, Joe, I think you
actually suggested this to me. This is

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slide Flourish is Return of the Lazy
Dungeon Master and basically his entire Lazy Dungeon

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Masters series. I am a believer. I am a I belong to the

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Church of the Lazy Dungeon Mass.
I'm fully fully Lazy Dungeon Master. So,

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just for context for anybody that's not
familiar with Slide Furish, when you

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say his what are you talking about
there? Jason, So Slide Flourish is

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actually Mike Shay. Mike Shay is
a game writer and game designer who's worked

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with everyone from Wizardy, the Cost
Colbal Press, mc DM. Before influencer

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was a thing, he was an
influencer for Dungeon and Dragons tabletop art.

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Yeah. To my knowledge, well, note I'm gonna call him game designer.

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To my knowledge, he's not designed
a full on game, but has

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influenced the design in a lot of
other games. Yeah, yeah, you

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can. You can be a you
can be a game designer for You've done

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is written a bunch of dventures.
Absolutely yeah. And he's definitely written like

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the hearts of other books. And
he's worked for Watts the Yeah, in

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front of you kids out there.
An influencer before there were influencers, we

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would have called that a blogger blogger
back in the day, and then a

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vlogger, yes, yeah, video. But Mike has credits in in the

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Cobol Pressed Home of Beast books.
Actually a lot of that's a good pedigree.

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That's that's a really great one.
That's that at some point we're going

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to go on about how great those
books are too. So you must have

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but the series that they put out, and slide Flourish is kind of the

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name of Mike's team. I guess, like his his I'm not sure exactly

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how you feel. Like it was
like his handle. Yeah, like it's

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so it's his handle, but then
he almost into a brand and what I

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mean. So I'll be using the
terms of Mike Shay and Slide Flourish interchangeably,

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and I may refer to slide Flourish
as they as a collective. So

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so just kind of, you know, follow along. Yeah, no context

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is good. So, the the
original book was The The Lazy Dungeon Master,

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and this was designed to get your
games prepped faster and easier, with

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less actual time being put into the
prep of it. And the book that

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we are reviewing today is called Return
the Lazy Dungeon Master, and it sounds

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like it should be a sequel,
but it is actually a it's basically like

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like a version two. It's a
revision. Yeah. So he says in

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the Return of the Lazy Dungeon Master
that it's been five years since the original

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publication and that he learned a lot, right, Yeah, it's five years

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of running games, thinking about games, you know, iterating on other people's

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ideas more experience. I hope you
got new ideas. Yeah, and I

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know one of the revisions because I
think like originally it was like you can

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you can prep you know, between
fifteen minutes and thirty minutes or something.

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He's like, well, maybe it's
a little bit longer. Maybe, I

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know. Yeah, yeah, and
I know that, like he said that

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on his podcast which I listen to. Sure that. Yeah, you know,

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I've kind of walked that back even
it went from thirty to forty and

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now it's probably more like an hour. But I guess the take home here

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is that this is a standalone volume. You pick it up, you read

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it start to finish, and you
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first volumeeeah. Yeah. This is
not this is not a second in a

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series. This is a replacement of
the main book. So like it's it's

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hard to even find the original the
Younge Master Book because it's out of print,

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you know, because why would you
print an old version of your own

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book. Sure, so if you're
looking for least you Knowuge Master, and

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all you find is return and it
sounds like, you know, it sounds

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like you know we're returning the Mummy, or it's a it's a great sequel

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title, which is almost like which
is almost a shame that he wasted a

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great title on on something that's not
a sequel. That's my only read ride

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with this book is that the title
in return doesn't make sense. So this

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is going to be the first in
a series of what we're going to call

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third Party book Club. We are
going to judge these books in kind of

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five different category not really judge,
We're gonna just go over these books in

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five different categories. Evaluate, yeah, evaluate, and discuss yeah. Sure.

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So the first section of this we're
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And I would love to just give
these just nicer names. This is

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too academic for my taste. But
the subject matter and the author credibility.

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So author credibility, we just talked
about Mike having credits in Cold World Press

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books and was of the Coast books. I think those two resume bullet points

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alone are enough too hired to be
like, Okay, cool, I'll listen

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to you. He's also got the
Lazy RPG podcasts, so even which a

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much more like up to date way
of keeping up with his opinions on that.

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You said it was five years between
books and he already had some.

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And he's great on current events just
within the TTRPG Yeah, excuse me,

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a TTRPG space yep, and just
what's going on any watsy news. And

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he also does like a third party
book shout out or third party. He

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talked about some third party stuff there
too. Yeah, so shout out to

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a lazy RPG podcast as well.
So knowing that he knows what he's talking

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about. So what does the book
actually get into? So, like we

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said, this is designed to help
you prepare carry your games faster as a

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dungeon mass as. Yeah, well
players aren't preparing their games too, aren't

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too much? I guess they could? Could we could have that discussion on

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in another episode. Yeah sure.
But so the book is divided into and

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I love that there's even like a
section on how to read this book,

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because this isn't like a page turner, and it's not quite like this isn't

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quite really a textbook either. It's
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It's sort of Yeah, that's exactly
what I was going to say.

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Like it to me feels like several
articles, each one being very helpful.

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So the whole section is on like
how to prepare for the game, section

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of how to how to run your
game thinking about your game, which is

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a section that I think it gets
undervalued. I think, yeah, definitely

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overlooked a little bit. Yeah,
and the meat of the book is in

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the is in the preparation, and
like what what's cool about this and the

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reason to buy it is that this
is something that could have been a blog

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post, were you just list the
seventeen things that would make your prep faster

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and say, Okay, we'll go
forth and have fun. But it's,

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you know, and it's not terribly
a big book. It's it seems out

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one hundred pages. If you if
you look at the face of it and

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you look at how many chapters it
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a lot longer than it is.
But he says in what is essentially the

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prologue, right like how to read
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Each chapter is deliberately brief, so
you can kind of skip around and

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you see what's most useful to you. Yeah, you usually that phrase verbatim.

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Yeah, Each chapter is deliberately brief
the judge quote quote unquote, so

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each chapter deliberately so you can use
it. You can kind of skip around,

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use what you want. You know, you don't have to grab what

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you need. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, you can be lazy and you're

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reading of it. This is This
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you can kind of tuck in the
basket, like next to the toilet along

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with your New Yorkers and you know, like issues of whatever it did,

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whatever else it is that you're you're
reading in the book, Joe, what

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are you having in your bathroom?
Uncle John's was the uncle Uncle John's bathroom?

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Diges, your Calvin and Hobbs collection, whatever it is. We're all

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dating ourselves on this right now,
far far side the fire side book readers

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digest. Yeah, but the dad's
out there. Yeah, this this is

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great, just like you know,
anytime you just want to just brush up

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on something and learn something. The
chapter's only a couple of pages. On

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the whole thing is only one hundred
pages. And I guess the other thing

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we should mention for anybody that hasn't
seen these books is just listening to this

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that the the form factor of the
book itself is it's got that large size,

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like the like the same footprint as
like a player's handbook or something like

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that, like a large RPG book
as opposed to being something that's normal like

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trade you know, non fiction book
sized like the way those monsters know what

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they're doing. Books are. Yeah, this is the same size. It's

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like an RPG rule book, Yeah
the monsters. Don't you doing? Books

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feel more like like a novel,
like like form factor wise, yeah,

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nonfiction do so. As far as
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the book. I'm just gonna just
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like, yes, this could have
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if we if we if we did
seventeen ways to speed up your prep and

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I just wrapped off these seventeen things, it would have been totally fine.

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I wish we would have thought of
that before we decided to do this this

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episode that we're good, I'm just
kidding. But then knowing that there's a

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whole chapter on going in depth,
and not only the chapter to read along,

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but there's so there's a do a
long book as well. We'll get

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to that in a second. Uh, just the titles of the chapters alone.

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So let's just I'm just gonna blaster
these the way the Lazy Dungeon Master

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Lazy Dungeon Master's checklist, which is
you know, very feels like an introduction.

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Then the actual like the real meat
here, review the characters, create

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a strong start, outline potential scenes, define secrets and clues, develop fantastic

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locations. Outline important and PCs.
Choose relevant monsters, select magic, itember

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where it's preparation notes. So far
reduce the checklist, offer high value preparation

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activities. Then stuff like the tool
kit reskinning, building a dungeon and running

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a session zero. So like that
alone in what took me what ten seconds

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to rattle off is already valuable.
Yeah, and then having not only the

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pages to back up what to do, but then run step of channels.

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I could get that, but not
only having the chapters on backing up the

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information, but then the work along
kind of like challenges and like you know,

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it's amost like it's almost like going
to school. It's like here's your

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skill and now we're gonna we're gonna
work on a little bit. I'll just

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mention too, just in what you're
saying there with the work along. There

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is a version of this that comes
I think with like a work book yep,

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that allows you to do exactly that. I bought mine digitally, so

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I okay, I don't have that, but there is one that comes with

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like a separate buh that you have
worksheets in and you can do. It's

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what I have. It's on my
shelf still, but yeah, that's the

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elasiannge Master Workbook, and there's also
the Elazian un Master Companion. I'm really

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a fan of the way that he
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it can get easy to kind of
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in fact some people are good at
some parts of that and maybe not as

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good as others. You know,
like I don't need help coming up with

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evocative MPCs maybe, but like you
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that I'm always going to need help
with. Yeah, And so you know,

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being able to pull that stuff out
to look at that and go okay,

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that I think I got to handle
on, I'll skim it. But

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this other thing, yeah, I'll
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because that's a thing that I actually
have trouble with every time. The

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way he's got it broken down like
that, I really really like that.

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I think that's super super helpful,
even for an experienced DM, because you

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can look at it and go,
I only need three of these ten things,

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but boy do I need help with
those three things? Still makes it

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worth getting into Yeah, Heven just
reading it now, like the chapter on

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defining secretcy and clues, it's like, oh, that's where that's where I

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can use a lot of help.
Yeah. It's just good as a as

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a brush up too, though,
because I think sometimes you almost forget something

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or not forget, but you don't
think about it as clearly as maybe you

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once did. Shortly when something becomes
doing it a certain way right right,

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so and you know, maybe a
little nudge to say, hey, try

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this other technique. Maybe it adds
a little to the way you're doing it,

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even if it's a thing you think
you've got down cold. Hello Adventurers,

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to the show. So next section, we're going to talk about the complexity

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level and the depth of analysis.
So as far as depth of analysis goes,

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like this whole thing is about one
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as far as complexity level goes,
we're taking like a just our one bullet

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point of preparation, dividing it into
so many subsections twenty chapters. Yeah,

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yeah, seventeen alone just on the
prep. Yeah. I think the other

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thing that can come into play with
complexity level with some of these Dungeon Master

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prep books is making assumptions about how
familiar you are with maybe some of the

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more obscure rules or the way certain
monsters work and all this kind of stuff.

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You know, how much explaining are
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like game terms and stuff like that, or are they just going to dive

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into that assuming that you know all
of that already. This seems to kind

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of dive in exactly assuming that you
already are prepping games. This isn't how

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to prep games. This is how
to do it in the leasiest way of

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possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is essentially an understanding

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or what's the word assuming? This
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grasp on the rules and act as
a dudgeonmaster to some degree, right at

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least, like you understand what a
dungeon master does and how to prep and

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stuff. And I will say I
can sing sly flourishes and Mike Chase praises

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all day. I'm a big,
big fan. Really, There's one thing

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that like irks me. Maybe it's
a hot take, is he just almost

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makes the assumption that everybody is as
smart as he is, and like he

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has a really solid grasp on monsters
and like challenge rating, like not challenge

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rating, but like like a balance
like a balanced encounter, and so he'll

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just like roll through that stuff like
in its podcast, on his videos and

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stuff. And I'm like, wait, what, like because that's one thing

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that I really struggle with, Like
I don't know if there's a group of

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five level five players, like,
what is a good amount of whatever kind

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of monsters And he's like, yeah, we'll throw in like three knolls and

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two of these and ten of those
and yeah, but that's a pretty medium

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encounter. Like wait, why I
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but I still use the combat uh, the the encounterbalancer, you know,

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I use the one through D and
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but I essentially like take that.
Okay, it says it's this much.

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I really kind of more look at
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it's deadly or not. Keep adding
I just keep adding in little guys until

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it just hits dead. Yeah,
no challenge ratings survives contact with the dice.

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That's it, of course, because
it's it's variable. But but it's

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what so like it's I mean,
what it sounds like is we're this is

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kind of we might peg. This
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thing, right, it's not.
If you've never dm'd before you buy the

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Player's Handbook, the Dungeon Master's Guide. In this book, this is something

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you pick up after you've done it
for a while and you've got some systems

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in place, and you want to
make those systems better, more efficient,

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and you know, like like kind
of it sounds like sort of turbo charge

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them. I think that if you
have a solid understanding of the rules,

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right, So if you've been a
player for a while and you're going to

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try being a d M and then
you look at the all of the things

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to do with dming, right and
you feel a little bit like overwhelmed by

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that, and maybe you've run a
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by that. I think this is
perfect. So it's on the beginner side

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of intermediate, I would say,
but definitely you have to have a solid

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understanding of dragons and the rule.
So yeah, you're not buying actually put

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this a little bit further into into
intermediate. And I think the people who

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are going to benefit from this the
most are ones who have prepped sessions several

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sessions, you know, the hard
way, the long way, or the

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or the way it's intended to be. You know, you can see fansbots

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on a podcast. But I mean, I think it's also worth noting that

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this is kind of this is very
much picking up where the Dungeon Master's Guide

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as published No kidding leaves off.
Yeah, sure, yeah, does not

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have a lot of the practical advice
for how to set these things up.

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It gives you all the numbers you
need and things like that, but is

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you know, kind of sadly willfully
short on exactly step by step how to

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set things up. And this sounds
like the perfect stepping stone up up from

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that from kind of just that information
that the DMG, there's a sense without

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a lot of practical tips for how
to then it all out. And that's

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essentially how I came to find the
book, right, is because I read

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all this stuff. I think I
had done one or two sessions and be

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like, yeah, like I don't
know what I'm doing, and and went

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searching and found fly Flourish and Mike
Hay and I will say like that helped

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me tremendously, gave me a better
understanding, gave me context that I just

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feel like I had been missing because
again I had, you know, it

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played some, I had dmmed a
tiny bit, like really not a lot.

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I never did it in the quote
unquote right way before. And I

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think that was part of what I
was missing, was like a structure,

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right, And so I think that's
a really good Not to put too fine

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a point on it, but I
think that's a really good analysis. Tem

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is like it picks up where the
DMG leaves off. It gives you all

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of the tools that the DMG does
not, and then and then gives you

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a better understanding. I think of
some of them as well. Our next

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bit here is is we're called the
innovation. Is this book doing something that

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other books are not. I think
it absolutely is the short chapters and really

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just taking every little facet of preparation
and do with with the angle of shortening

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the time you're spending on them.
Or actually one chapter is about shortening your

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list, so like, yeah,
there's here's a list of seventeen things you

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can do, you don't need to
do all seventeen of them. Do two

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or three, get your lists short? What do you need to do today?

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And then next week do something else. So I think the innovation,

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I think this is this is exactly
what we're looking for. Yeah, I

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have one hundred agree. Yeah,
pretty straightforward. There's a lot to say

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about that that we haven't already.
So we can kind of roll this into

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a fourth section, which is relevance, usefulness, and audience and we kind

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of just got into this when we're
talking about the complexity level. So rather

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than go and circles with that,
I'm going to say, the audience for

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this book, who is this for? And this is when we when we

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we were going to do these third
party book clubs, the number one thing

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I wanted to get into is that, like you know, when you think,

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like you know, if you're reviewing
something, so it's like, Okay,

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do you buy it? Do you
not buy it? We between the

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three of us, all the books
that we talk about, at least one

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of us owns, if not all
three of us, Right, I'm pretty

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sure all three of us have a
copy of this. So this isn't a

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buyer and not buy This is a
who should buy it? And I'm going

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to say when should you buy it? At what point in your playing career

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should you be looking at buying this
book? So the audience is of course

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Dungeon Master is this is not a
player's book. And this is to me,

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this is smack in the middle of
intermediate. If you're if the Dunge

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Master Guide no longer has anything new
to offer you, or if you're doing

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things by the Dunge Master guide,
and you've done games, you prepped I'm

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going to say, like a couple
maybe not like tons, but enough so

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that you are comfortable with the preparation
process. This entire book is to science

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to just take that process and cut
your time down. Yeah. But I

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also think that he does a really
and I meant to mention this earlier for

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depth of analysis is I think what
one of the really strong points that this

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book and just the author has in
general is taking complex ideas and really kind

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of dumbing them down in quote unquote
Layman's terms, and and helping you understand

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them pretty well. You know he's
not He's very good at that. I

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think, Yeah, I feel comfortable
saying that, and I think we know

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that I somewhat disagree, but I
think I think that we do agree on

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that. You've done it a couple
of times, maybe you've prepped a couple

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of sessions, and you're like,
man, I just I feel like I

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don't have a solid grasp on this. I think that would be a good

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time to go and check this book
out, yeah, and see if it

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can help you, because it certainly
helped me, helped me better understand like

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what do I really need to prep
a session because it can be a lot.

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It can be really really intimidating to
be like, wait a minute,

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how much time am I giving to
this game that I'm gonna play with my

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friends once a week or once every
other week or once a month or whatever

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it is, And like it's a
lot of time. It's a lot of

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time if you do it quote unquote
by the DMG, right, And like

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you know, some people are like, yeah, for every power of gameplay,

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you should be spending however long Yeah, no, I don't have.

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I don't have an extra three four
hours a week. I don't well.

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And also, I mean one of
the things that I think is useful that

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it's actually pretty good at is like
beyond giving you ways to make your prep

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more efficient, there is some advice
there on how to make sure that you're

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you're doing prep that actually gets used. R Yes, you know that you're

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not doing a whole lot of like
I built this whole encounter and then they

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went that other direction, you know, and I wasted all that time.

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There's there's ways to kind of there's
good advice in there and how to make

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sure not just that your prep is
efficient, but that you're you're devoting it

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to stuff that the players are going
to be interested in and that they're going

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to engage with, because nothing's worse
than that than doing prep that never gets

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Yeah, you know that you never
manage to actually use in the game.

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Sorry, Joe's right, it was
still a fun session. Accidentally, well,

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game stories another time about that one. That was a great story.

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Yes. My opinion on when to
buy this book obviously you start with the

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core with with the core books I
would do as a dungeon master, I

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would get the supplemental books first,
r Xanathar's Yatasha, stuff like that,

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and then sometime after that this would
be like when you're looking into third party

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stuff. This would be early in
the list, and maybe even the first

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one that is specific to DMS.
Yeah. Yeah, this and Keith the

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Month. Yeah. It's also worth
noting with this book in particular, that

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there's also no point at which it's
too late to pick this up. Absolutely

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greatly. If you've been dming for
a number of years, you know all

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of the advice that he has is
as relevant for prep at first level as

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it is for prep at tenth level. I mean there's a little there's some

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tweaks that you got to do to
things and stuff like that. But you

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know, the kind of the generalized
advice he's giving is going to make your

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prep more streamlined and more relevant,
regardless of where you're at in terms of

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you know, like the levels of
the players or how long you've been doing

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it. You know, if you've
been you know, if you if you're

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a long time DM, it's still
worth looking this over, if only to

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you know, go down the list
and go Yep, doing that, Yep,

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doing that, Yep doing that.
Oh, hadn't thought of that because

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I've been dming for thirty years and
there's stuff in here that you know,

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certainly just because I didn't, I
hadn't thought of it or my you know,

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I typically I've been running in stores, which means my prep works a

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little differently. There's there's certainly been
a few things in there that have been

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valuable for me, even though I've
been doing it for as long as I

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have. So I think that's going
to wrap it up for the first of

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our third party book clubs. This
is Sly Flourishes Return of the Lazy Dungeon

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Master. And if you get the
pack with the Lazy dungeon Master's workbook.

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Yeah right, it's called workbook.
Yeah, lazy DM's workbook and the Lazy

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DM's companion. Note that the workbook
and the companion say d ms and then

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the main book says dungeon master.
Throwing that out there for any copywriters who

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want to edit that. But yes, I mean, and like I said,

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everything we talked about, everything is
a buy, Everything is a We

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recommend everything that we talk about.
But this is you know, this is

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great for dungeon masters who are somewhat
experienced up to very experienced. And no

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it's not. It's never too early
to get this book, but like I

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think you'll get the most of it
once you get a little bit of experience

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under your belt. And then this
because this is this is trying to like

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correct a method and if you you
know, if you've never worked them through

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the supposed correct method, then then
there's no new skills to correct, if

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that makes sense. So but this
is a does thanks good good, It

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makes a great gap. Yeah,
So we'll have links to I think we'll

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have an affiliate link to this in
the show notes, so I pick it

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up through us. We'll be helping
out the show We'll leave links to a

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stock Followish's page and and Mike's bio. Yeah, everybody in the group kicks

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in five bucks. It's a great
gift for your DM. Oh. Yeah,

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that's an expensive book either, So
cool. That's gonna wrap up for

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today. Thank you so much for
listening to Hello Adventures. We are your

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dungeon masters Jason Portezos, Jim Crocker
and Joe McCall. Producer, editor and

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engineer Jason Portiso, music by Nick
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