The 6 Levels of Collecting Minis

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Hello Adventurers, Welcome to another episode. I'm Jesus with us. I'm Joe

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McCall and I'm Jim Cracker. And
today I'm going to teach you how to

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spend a lot of money, uh
not literally as much as you want.

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Yeah, and you know, not
even necessarily. I'm going to teach you

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how to do this for free also, But today we're going to talk about

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miniatures. I am in the portion
of my d M career where I am

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starting to amass some miniatures. My
collection right now is very, very small,

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and it's gonna change, very very
serious. You don't get hooked on

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things very I don't. You don't. You don't like get a hobby and

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really focus any attention. I don't
have any at all. No, I

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don't have one hundred fish games.
You go like a handful instruments. Yea,

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I definitely recording equipment. I definitely
know how to play all the managements

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in my house kind of. But
do you guys even like playing with minis

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or are you more of a fear
of the mind type player? And I

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mean by preference, not by necessity. Oh, by preference, my preference

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would be to play with miniatures with
incredible environmental pieces terrain Yeah, thank you

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terrain pieces, and have all the
time in the world to build those as

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well. But but out of necessity, it's not always the case. So

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the game that you were dming for
me and an our group, it is

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it is full fear of the mind
is for the most part, theater of

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the mind. We have done some
map style fog of war dungeon crawl maps

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where you you know you're right,
we played online, and we were online

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we were using Albert Rodeo and stuff
like that. But this is and I

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should specify even even now, that
this is going to be mostly focused actually

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this is going to be entirely focused
on in person play. We will talk

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about another point online map to miniatures
and stuff like that, but this is

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all for ever playing in person.
June, what's your experience with miniatures?

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I mean, I used to own
a game store, which means that I

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had access to our full inventory of
miniatures all the time. We very explicitly.

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One of the things that I used
to do at my game store was

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whenever a new set of the Blind
Box D and D minis came out,

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we would get a couple of extra
cases and crack them and sell the singles.

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So we always had a big case
full of individual single miniatures, you

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know for a dollar, two dollars, you know whatever, ten bucks,

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twenty dollars if we got the whatever, you know, the rare tamat or

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something like that. So we always
had those single miniatures in the case,

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and you know, as the manager
of the store, as the owner of

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the store, pulling some of those
out to put on the table during the

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D and D games that I ran, that was advertising, right, So

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if I had no choice but to
fill that table full of miniatures, And

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I mean my inclination, if I
can, is to have miniatures for everything,

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for like whatever you've got on the
table, and to have those be

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as specific as you can get,
but to keep the terrain and the environment

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you know, represented, but to
keep that more theater of the mind.

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I actually don't love playing with like
the super fancy, high end terrain and

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stuff like that. I should agree
on that, yet, I mean if

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only because it kind of gets in
the way if there's like walls and stuff

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that you got to maneuver around and
things like that. But but I like,

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especially for D and D, all
versions of D and D like miniatures

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just as far as I'm going to
start to enhance the gameplay, especially because

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yeah, like there's characters and abilities
and things like that that kind of rely

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on specific tactical things happening, Like
you need to know exactly where people are

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standing when a fireball goes off,
and you can do that with theater of

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the mind. What I really love. And you know, and especially like

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I said, because I was in
the store, nothing gets people's attention like

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they walk by a table and there's
a bunch of little dudes out and you've

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got a big dragon and all that
kind of stuff. That just very very

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eye catching. And there's a level
of engagement that comes with miniatures that I

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really like when we're playing, when
it's D and D that we're playing.

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Yeah, you mentioned there's something the
fireball and like no, a DM can

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keep track mentally of where everybody is
on the battlefield. That's a lot of

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mental bandwidthrough using up to do that, especially once you get past like four

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players and like you know, like
one or two will enemies if you draw

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it in my notebook, actually draw
like yeah, like an idea and then

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I and it's always about them,
be like, well, how far am

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I from him? I about fifty
feet. I've run games with like six

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players and like more than six enemies, all fear of the mind and like

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I've got to have the whole thing
like visualized in my head, like it

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just dropped acid and I can kind
of see this like this it's and it

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took a lot, and I made
a lot of mistakes and like, Okay,

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I catch fireball. I'm like,
cool, that's gonna hit Oh god,

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that's gonna hit this kiny of this
guy, this guy, the one

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he's with, the one he's with, one he's with, And and you

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miss people, you know. Like
my thought is, if you're at the

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point where you are sketching the map
into your notebook that you've got next to

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you, anyways, you may as
well be doing it on the vinyl map

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that you've got in between everybody do
that work anyway. That kind of brings

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us right into the list. So
let's let's let's get into the list here.

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So I got this. I've got
this set up as the six levels

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of complexity when it comes to miniatures. So let's let's get into the list.

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So my first level here, level
one, we're gonna call this improvised

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improvised miniatures. This is where you
use literally whatever's whatever's within arm's reach,

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whatever you have on the table already. If you have to get up and

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go get this thing, or if
this was already slated to be a miniature,

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you're already past level one. This
is kind of where people start,

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whether they mean to or not,
because there's always going to be a point

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where someone's like, wait, where
is everything, and then the feet of

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the mind DMS is gonna be like, okay, let me just let me

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just get this out for you,
whether they grab a piece of paper and

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draw it like you just said,
or whether they just grabbing coins out of

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their pocket and just set things up
on a table, whatever's on the table,

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like salt shakers exactly. Yeah,
yeah, so these amples are high.

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We have so many salt shakers.
Get your rolls of pennies and stuff

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like that. Yeah. Yes,
So the examples I have here are coins

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just reaching your pocket and you literally
have miniatures there. The little penny is

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those your coballs. The quarter that's
your big Dad dice is a really common

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one. You've got dice on the
table already, and they differentiate themselves all

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the d sixes are cobalts, and
there's what do you know, there's six

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coballs on the table. So here's
one, two, three, four,

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five and six. They number themselves
and stuff like that. So dice is

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a super common one also, and
my favorite improvised miniature, depending on what

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time of year and depending what kind
of place you're playing, candy nerds ropes.

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I wouldn't don't know about nerds rope, but like you know, if

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it's especially like just around Halloween,
just grabbing you grab your kid's bol grab

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your bowl and it's your roll,
and throw that on the throw that on

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the table, be like, hey, this is the big bat now and

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bonus, whoever kills them gets to
eat them. They are self cleaning.

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I love it. I played a
lot of games where we're like more,

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well, I don't play games where
real miniatures are on the table and nominees

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to turn real loosely, because if
it's small, it's a miniature. If

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it's small and represents a character,
it's a miniature. But proper miniatures about

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that where the the DM brought proper
miniatures, and you know, a player

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casts a familiar spell that he didn't
account for or there's like a displaced for

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best style like twin twinnying type of
spell. I forget what it's called.

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We talked better to your list too, stuff like that. So like there

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could be things that the ADM didn't
account for. Mirror image. Yeah,

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that's the one, thanks Jim.
So you could have to grab an improvise

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manager regardless. Do you guys have
a favorite improvise manager. I don't know

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if it, if it counts,
it might be level two, which I

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know we're going to get to.
But a friend of mine, John Hambone

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McGuire, I played Dungeons Dragons with
him. He is probably one of the

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first people I played with. He
has a dry erase board and just will

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show you in space like where things
are using the dry erase board. Yeah,

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and it's it's probably a little more
than like in the moment improvised.

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I think he had that idea,
but I think it was probably something that

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was like nearby at some point in
his dming career. I'll call that.

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I'll put them in the same categories
improvise because the intention was not to bring

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miniatures this day. That's that's kind
of where I'm getting right. Yeah,

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so he grabbed a dry erase board
and was just like, all right,

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you're here, this is where you
know, it's four vampires and here's a

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burning house or whatever. It was, same thing with your with you with

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your sketching in the notebook, Same
thing right bigger that squeaks more when you're

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My favorite, my favorite improvised minis
are bits from other board games. So

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you grab your bag full of scrabble
tiles, you know, and you know

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the knolls are like like a couple
of g's. You just drop them down

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on the map because they're just about
the right size of scrabble, you know.

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Scrabble square is about you know,
like like roughly that inch that a

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D and D square is. Use
that, use the you know, the

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pawns from your sorry game. You
use some you know, right sized chess

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men, stuff like that. If
you've got other games kicking around the house,

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there's lots of things that you can
grab from those to use. Just

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for the absolute love of God,
make sure they go back in the right

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box or I will have an aneurism, or do yourself a favor. Throw

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away a monopoly, but keep the
boot in the car. Yeah, I

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don't know when the updated ones are
that's the best use mooly. Today we're

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finding a giant top hat monster.
Yes, yeah, a thimble barbarian there.

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You know, he a thimple.
He's just a thimple little guy.

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Level two's right, So now you've
you've used your improvised managers, you start

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to realize that this is helping you
and you know, maybe maybe adding a

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little pizazz to your game that wasn't
there before, and it's making the collective

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imagination of the players at the table
a little more in sync. So now

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we start just kind of doing stuff. Beforehand, it's still kind of improvised,

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but now they're with the intention of
becoming a miniature. So Level two,

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I'm gonna call it diy is to
do it yourself here and the examples

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I've given. The title I gave
everything is also improvise. We call whatever's

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handy di iy is at least there's
a name on it. The examples I

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gave was torn up paper or a
torn up index card that you're all keeping

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your DM bag now, or the
other wooden coins possibly with a label printer.

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I just picked them up off the
floor because fall out of my back.

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So this is I know you can't
see on the podcast, but I'm

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gonna show Joe and Jim. These
were wooden coins that I bought on Amazon

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for like I don't know, two
bucks, three bucks. There are one

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inch circles made out of like a
balsa wood or like a hard cardboard.

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As you're very hard cardboard. I
can't end this without breaking it. And

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they come in a bag of like
one hundred two hundred, five hundred.

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It's crafting stuff. And then I
found a printing like a like a printing

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label with like like like an adhesive
kiss cut type of label that's printer friendly.

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And I used some stuff to make
the art of the player, of

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the of the character, and if
a character has a name, I put

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that on the back. And now
we have little two dimensional coins that represent

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the characters. And it cost me. I would say that the time investment

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was way more than the monetary investment. Something I just thought of looking at

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that too. If you have like
a button maker, you just not put

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the the I you know, you
can make really interesting buttons, I guess

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sure, but if you have a
button maker, that would kind of do

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essentially that. Yeah, the one
inch button, the one inch button is

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a staple of the punk scene.
So like a DIY button maker, you

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can get those cheap and you can
be punk rock yeah, and have your

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character on you and then you you
wear your character on your battle vest and

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you show here's my many, that's
me. That's I'm gonna make a gobo

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one right now. Variant of that
is that there are like readily available like

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one inch what are essentially poker chips. I'm looking at something on Amazon right

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now that they call one inch opake
plastic learning chunters, mini poker chip game

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tokens with storage box. So this
is like one hundred one inch tokens with

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a little rim around the outside.
Eight bucks. It comes in a it

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comes got a little box you can
storm all in. That is absolutely the

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kind of thing, you know,
yeah, you blow off, you know,

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a thing of tokens where you've got
the you know, you've got it

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alive on one side and with little
x's over the eyes on the other something

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like that. When you flip it
over and you can you can put together

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a whole lot of improvised token minis
or really cheap just adding on to that

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idea, Jim put a different character
on the other side. Yeah, can

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do that, you know, you
know cobalts on on one side and goblins

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on the right. Yeah, you
have the throw you have like the you

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know you have the the innocent innkeeper
on one side and where'll he turns into

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on the other something like that.
Yeah, yeah, just blow the player's

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minds when you flip it over on
and then I on these coins too,

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like the same thing because with the
with this kind of material, they're easy

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to write on. So the sharpie
that you should be keeping your D M

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bag, I just you know,
really quickly. I had a couple of

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them that just said, n PC. Why did you look right at me

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when you said that? Your eyes
narrowed because they're sitting across the table from

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me, Joe, because I'm because
I do, I will say, I'll

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admit that Jim's two states away.
I can't look him in the eye.

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Yeah that I asked Jason for a
pen or a sharpie every time I come

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to his house for anything. I
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But well it's it's his house.
He knows where everything is that seems

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entirely right on D and D and
I leave a pile of pens out,

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so because I am a gracious host, you are, but on these there

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they're super easy to write, honest, you take a sharpie and they just

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trying to jot whatever they need to
be. So all the wooden coins that

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I have left to have these labels
on them, and I kind of covered

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up what they with what was written
on them. But the last time I

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used them, some of them just
sit in PC didn't matter who they are,

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because that could change as needed.
That same token went from being the

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quest giver to the bar maid to
this soldier they were talking to that that

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I just had to pull out of
the thin air. Some of them would

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just say, you know, like
a big s for shadow that they were

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fighting against. Well one just had
a skull and crossbones, and that was

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going to be that the big bad
as it needed to be, because there

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was a small fight and then a
big fight. So whoever there was the

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the the big target of that one
got this calling crossbones. And I also

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had to pull out some blank ones
because three people with two players and one

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big bad, we're all casting spiritual
weapon and I had to startment of spiritual

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weapons on the table, so which
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with the best planning. So now
I have pre planned two dimensional spiritual weapons

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of three different weapons, just so
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then the last example, Jim,
you mentioned this in another episode, I

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can't remember which one, but even
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them in half into a little triangle
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of them, drawing a little picture
of your guy. Yeah, what folks

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would call paper craft. That's also
a thing where if you have a color

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printer that you can shoot a little
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a card stock three you know,
you can have them so that they fold

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over and then it's got a little
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it with a penny or something like
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that we talked about. And then
you get something that's a little more three

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dimensionally. You can have something that
stands, you know whatever, an inch

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and a half tall. In addition
to being you know, they're taking up

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the square on the map that's supposed
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like the high end of tier two. So that's so those are the those

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are di y minies little craft here. Yeah, level three, So now

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we are We're done with Fear of
the Mind. We're done with just grabbing

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whatever, and we want our minis
to look like we wanted to look like

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someone else made them better than we
can. I love the DIY stuff,

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but like they look like DIY and
you want to want it to look like

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you're playing a higher tier game.
You want your table to look more official.

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I guess that brings us into level
three. This is the bulk lot

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with a subtitle. If you have
a theme, go for it. There's

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a couple different manufacturers and a couple
different ways of bundling them together. Wh

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you mentioned the official D and D
Miniatures game and using like the commons and

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on commons that the competitive players will
throw away or self for super cheap.

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Yeah, you can find bundles of
those on eBay for you know, less

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than a buck of figure. You
know, if what you is like a

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bunch of like random orcs and knoles
and you know, civilians and like that

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one fighter that shows up in every
single box, where good to go with

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those? So this this tier is
best for like building your collection and getting

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the little guys out of the way, so like yeah, little orcs,

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little goblins. So stuff like the
official D and D miniatures game bulk lots

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are great to start. Amazon has
some other manufacturers that sell in like giants

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just like you know, two pounds
bags of stuff and you and they usually

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have a theme to them, so
make sure you're make sure you're either searching

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for one that fits your theme.
I almost bought one, but it was

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like seventy five percent steampunk stuff,
and I just don't run steampunk games.

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But the caveat there sign that you
should. And that's that's listen, I

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hadn't I had an ore in there. Okay, that's where the ore is

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going. You either find something that's
within the theme you want to run,

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or get inspired and run something that
is outside your comfort zone, which is

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also just like a cool thing you
should be doing all the time. Anyway.

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I've never been comfortable ever, so
everything is that in my comfort zone.

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So that's Amazon as miniatures games and
other systems for look for things that

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are made for not necessarily D and
D Warhammer Warhammer definitely, that's a tier

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two version of doing that thing.
That I talked about before, which is

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rating your other games for mini exactly. Yeah, So if you have a

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copy of gloom Haven or Dissent or
you know, any of those games that

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use the you know whatever, if
you you shelled out for a copy of

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the Dark Souls board game, there's
nothing that says you can't yank those minis

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out, you know, making sure
that you keep careful track of them so

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they can be returned to the proper
boxes so that Jason doesn't get upset,

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Thank you, Jim. But you
know, you can drop them down on

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the table for that game or even
for the campaign, and just as long

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as you return them back to where
they go, there's no reason that they

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can't do double duty when you've already
bought them. And there's there's a couple

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of games on the top of my
head and like and they're title The titles

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of these games are all kind of
the same thing. They all boiled down

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to a bunch of zombies. And
some of them even sell bulk boxes of

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spare zombie miniatures made for their game
because they come as swarms and if you

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hit higher levels, side zomb besides
on a zombie mall. Yeah, there's

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there's a ton of if you want
to play a Zombies game, it's so

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easy. Became managers for that.
Yeah. Oh, and I guess the

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other thing that I should mention is
the I mean, I think you did

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kind of touch on it, but
the now out of print but still pretty

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available D and D board games that
they made are pretty great for that because

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you know, if you don't mind
spending fifty sixty bucks in one shot,

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you get a game that has like
forty plus minis in it and a full

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set of dungeon tiles as well,
and you know, you get something like

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Wrath of a chartle On or you
know, the Cursive strad game that they

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did, you get a strawed mini
in there. They're all unpainted, but

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that's a great source for that kind
of stuff too, because you get the

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you know, something to use as
a map in addition to all of those

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bulk minis. Yeah, totally.
So that's Tier three. That was the

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bulk loot, and again those are
those are great for building your Your Horde

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of Small Guys doesn't do a whole
lot for your PCs though, so just

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keep that in mind that you may
have to combine us with other steps,

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but before amassing your collection, that's
gonna be Tier three. Hello Adventurers,

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let's get back to the show here. Four. Now we're actually spending a

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little bit of money here. This
is the purchased individual minis. There's a

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couple of companies that are making miniatures
of all different quality levels and you get

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exactly what you pay for. Basically, if you want something nicer, you

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spend a little bit more. If
you don't need it to be that nice,

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then you just need a couple of
like PCs. Then you can go

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for cheaper stuff. But there's pretty
much a price range for really whatever you

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want to do. The major companies
for this and Jim, I know you'll

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have some more to add to this, but whiz Kids and Reaper are the

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major ones that I found. They
can come pre painted or unpainted. If

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you want to get into painting,
you know, there'd be a good up

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betweeny to get into painting. I
don't mind an unfinished look. I think

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a gray I think a gray miniature
on the table looks kind of cool.

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But I know I am vastly in
the minority on that, maybe not at

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this table but in the grand DM
ecosphere. I know I'm outvoted on this

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one, but I think this is
also This is also one of the places

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where we mentioned that like the difference
between this tier and some of the and

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like the couple of next couple of
tiers that we're going to be getting into,

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probably that we're talking almost exclusively plastic
miniatures and high end tokens. I

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was going to do a shout out
to the manufacturer that I think when I

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think of that kind of stuff is
gil Force nine. They're the folks that

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they're the folks that do the what
they call the D and D collector's series

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where you know, if you want
to have an incredibly intricately detailed you know,

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the storm Giant that you put together
yourself and then paint that, you

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pay thirty dollars for a single figure. They've got you covered, you know,

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and they're gorgeous if you you know, if you're the kind of person

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that has that, you know,
that wants to put that time and effort

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into it. They're resin figures,
and so they've got the detail, the

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kind of extra detail that you get
out of a resin figure, and they

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look amazing. But yeah, you're
then you're starting to get into you know,

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fifteen dollars for a single player character
stuff like that. Does Gale Force

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Yes, yeah, yeah, well
I should I issue and the Gale Force

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nine ones are are You're pretty readily
available in most game stores. That's not

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a thing you have to go online
for. You can usually go and you

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know, a well stocked game store
will have those kind of you know,

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over the top of the regular D
and D minis, you know, for

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maybe next to the Warhammer stuff,
where the other expensive you know miniatures are

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are a lurking. So this is
like going and seeking out a specific miniature.

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This is usually done for your PCs
or your big bets and finding something

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that either you know already looks pretty
close or maybe like budging a couple of

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physical details that you had in mind
to match the miniature that already exists.

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You can learn how to paint.
You can pay someone to paint it for

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you. That is a that is
absolutely a service that people offer. And

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this is how you get your your
high quality, nice look in minis that

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stand out over the bulk ones that
you just bought back into your three.

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This is the purchased singles Level five. Now we're getting obsessive. This is

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uh. This is now you have
probably some sort of game room in your

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house or an area of your house
that like people who don't game aren't allowed

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to go touch. You know,
prying eyes are staying away from this stuff.

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You've got some you've got some space
that you want to dedicate to this.

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This is now we have a tier
two what was called DY you want

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actual d Y. Tier five is
three D printed. This is where Joe

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and I really kind of like really
started getting into this game a lot,

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like literally would be my friends for
for years and years. But now once

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you got your three D printer,
and we started thinking about D and D

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stuff. We got a lot closer
real quick, and then and then I

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want my my three D printer sometime
later. There's a couple of things to

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keep in mind with three D printing, and this is like, you know,

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are you getting this three D printer
for miniatures or are you getting it

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for making little knickknacks and cool little
projects and miniatures might also be something that

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you do. So this is not
a three D printing show, So I'll

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just give the other the very brief, you know, a view of what

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to get if you're doing other projects, or if you're making terrain, or

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if you're making you know, things
that are not D and D. If

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you're making you know, little attachments
for your door hinge. I med all

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kinds of stuff with my Then you
want that that filament printer. You can

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get all different kinds of filament.
That's the one with the with the nozzle.

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And if you're making miniatures and nothing
else, you absolutely want resin.

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And you want to make sure that
you have a room that you can ventilate,

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you know, consult a three D
printing expert on how to ventilate your

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room properly. But the difference between
buyer beware, resin stinks like, it

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smells very strong. It is dangerous. Yeah, it'sd it is odorous,

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like it's gonna smell like resin.
But yeah, you need a very well

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ventilated you're working with it, you
should be using a respirator. Yeah,

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we're doing it properly, which is
the hardest part about resin is doing it

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with proper ventilation. But that's for
that's for the three D printing shows to

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talk about, not us. I
have. I have miniatures that I printed

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with my filament printer, and I
have miniatures that were printed by a friend's

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a resin printer. And the difference
is absolutely night and day. It's not

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even close. So you have the
means to do so go resin if you

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can. And I'll just just add
to that advertisement for your local library.

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Some local libraries. I know that
our local library has three D printers and

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you can sign up to use them. I think you may have to take

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a class on it first and sign
up. It's a free class, but

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it sounds like fun free. I
don't know that they've stepped up their game,

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at least at our local library to
resin printers. You're a part time

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librarian, how was that a thing
at yours? Oh my gosh, no,

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no that was not like that's that's
not a little that that was a

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little too industrial for a library that
I work. So your results may yeah

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right, but definitely checked because it
could be available to you. And then

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I'm sure high schools. I know
some teachers that have had them in their

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classrooms. And so high school's your
high school, your college. Have a

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friend the teachers ever a friend the
teachers that the technology class in her school,

407
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.279
and that's something that they're If there's
a lab, then usually there's hours

408
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.559
that sign up use it. Sure, So that's where to get the printer

409
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:18.960
from. And then where do you
get the files to print? The big,

410
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.400
big, big one is thinger Verse. That's where you can get all

411
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.319
kinds of stuff. There was some
like PC and like adventure miniature stuff on

412
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.079
finger Verse. Last time I checked
is not a lot of them are great,

413
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.880
but they're free and they're out there. And what I did find super

414
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.680
useful thinger Verse was finding like beasts, wolves, bears, things like that.

415
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.640
I found a bunch of those on
thinger Verse in a you know,

416
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:44.279
like with the base on it and
everything like made to be D and D

417
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.960
and you may have to resize some
things, which kind of got me thinking,

418
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:49.079
Okay, well if I recized this
one down to an inch, where

419
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.839
if I did another one or two
that are at two inches, and now

420
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.640
I have a giant bear. There
is a one shot that around where a

421
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.359
bear gets hit with in large so
be kind of cool. Alert if you

422
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:06.079
play is yeah, one of the
dozens that I run, so he's got

423
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:07.039
to go there. Kind of cool, just like swap out the minature and

424
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.599
putting a bigger one. And then
there's some creators out there that this is

425
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.880
what they do. They sit around
and design three D files with the intention

426
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:21.200
to either sell the file or to
They're the one that I followed as a

427
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.079
subscription. He doesn't through Patreon,
So I'm going to give a big shout

428
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.240
out to and I don't know if
he has real name, but it's MZ

429
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.000
forty two fifty and I follow his
Patreon And all the PC minis that I

430
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.400
brought to that last game that we
had Joe were from his STLs. Yes,

431
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.359
they look awesome, and he's got
them all sorted out on a giant

432
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:42.759
Mega dot NZ file and there's he
comes up with new ones daily. There's

433
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.400
thousands and thousands of the monsters and
PCs and stuff all from this guy.

434
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:49.960
So we go check out MT forty
two to fifty if you have the means

435
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.680
to three D print, so that
is that is three D printed. That

436
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:57.240
is a tier five. So I
said, there's six tiers, like,

437
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:02.519
how much more could you possibly put
into this? Then three D printing them

438
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:07.359
yourself? Well, Tier six is
the full custom. This is you design

439
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.759
it, you go from the ground
up, make it however you want,

440
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.160
and then you three D printed yourself. You can make this as complicated and

441
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:19.279
specific as you want. If you
have a vision for your PC or your

442
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:25.000
big bad this is where you can
go spend hours and dollars and that kind

443
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:26.720
of thing. So there's three websites
that I want to shout out here.

444
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.359
I'm sure there's more that are up
and coming, but these are the three

445
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.799
big ones. Of course, there's
hero Forge. I wish you to know

446
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.960
hero Forge by now, and if
you don't, it is a fully customed

447
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.599
three D rendering that you don't have
to like have a technology degree, and

448
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:41.680
you just tell it what you want
your thing to look. Like, you

449
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.200
pick from the options and it puts
it all together for you. A side

450
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.799
note, this is how I make
my character portraits. I do it up

451
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.319
fully in hero Forge and then I
take a little screenshot and then that's why

452
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:57.559
I'm like my character portraits. Hero
Forge has the most options by far,

453
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.920
and it's not even close. They
come up with new stuff every single month.

454
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.440
On their newsletter, they always tell
you what they just added. It's

455
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.200
a lot of like it's not only
just fantasy stuff. There's a lot of

456
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:10.960
steampunk in there. There's a lot
of like splash buckling stuff in there,

457
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.079
and they always are really good about
like inclusion type stuff too. There's a

458
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.640
lot of like prosthetics and wheelchairs and
things along those lines that if you have

459
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.079
a specific direction your character needs to
be going in, or if you want

460
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:27.799
your character to look like you and
you fit one of these categories, there

461
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:33.119
is stuff in hero Ford for you. Once you're done with creating the character.

462
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:36.799
It's only eight dollars to then download
the three D file. So if

463
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.279
you're gonna go print it yourself or
have your local library to do it for

464
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.279
you, it's eight bucks and just
sum of your time, and it's fun

465
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.839
that's if you're gonna print it yourself, you can have them print it for

466
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.720
you. And this is where the
dollars come in. You can do something

467
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.920
as cheap as a two dimensional acrylic
standy, which I've made. I've made

468
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.480
one of that looks like myself and
that's my stand in Big Bad for he

469
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.039
just looks however he needs to.
That was only like twelve fifteen dollars,

470
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:06.359
is pretty cheap. I have made
full color plastic three D prints if you

471
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.519
were a listener of Commergence and Dragons, one of our original co hosts,

472
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.519
Jack, I made one that looked
like him for Christmas, and it was

473
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:17.799
a little little inch and a half
tall little Jack Dwarf looked awesome full color

474
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.359
and those were like fifty bucks.
You can do them in a gold print

475
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.759
and I think they're actually gold cast. I don't know exactly what material they're

476
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:27.799
using it, but they're like but
they're yeah, I think they're metallic too.

477
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.720
And it was like one hundred bucks. Those are kind of cool.

478
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.960
Where like I consider like if we
hit like level twenty and we end the

479
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.599
campaign, like if we like really
like complete the story and I want to

480
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:42.799
immortalize this character it's one hundred bucks, so remember years of storytelling. I

481
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.279
think it's kind of cool. And
I think there's other ones too. I

482
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.240
think there's like there's unpainted ones you
can get for like twenty thirty bucks,

483
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.319
and like if you get them bigger
with bounts and stuff, other full custom

484
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.119
websites, so very similar hero Forge, there's titan Craft, and there's Eldritch

485
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.079
Foundry. They all kind of operate
the same way. Titan Craft. The

486
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.079
way I like that they do it
is you purchase the assets and then you

487
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.920
have infinite access to that asset.
So you can just buy up their whole

488
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:14.680
library for under three hundred dollars and
then just print as much as you want.

489
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.839
So if you have the printer,
you don't have to pay per miniature.

490
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.519
You're paying per asset, and then
you get to reuse. Like by

491
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.400
asset, I mean like this particular
hat you and like you can build one

492
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:28.279
miniature, buy the assets that you
just use for like a couple of dollars.

493
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.279
Then you have infinite access like to
that hat and that armor and that

494
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.319
sword and that kind of stuff,
and if you want to reuse them,

495
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.319
you already have them, or you
can buy them in asset packs, and

496
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:42.519
I believe there's like the if you
get all of the bulk packs all at

497
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.440
once, it ends up being like
three hundred bucks. But then to be

498
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.000
able to three D print as many
as you want, So this could be

499
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.680
kind of cool. If you're running
a lot of small games and you want

500
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.480
the players to make their own PCs
every time, you can tell them to

501
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.680
go to titan Craft, make up
their mini there, and then you can

502
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.240
print it for them. The Eldrich
Foundry operates so a little closer to hero

503
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.759
Forge. I use the options that
are within there, and then you pay

504
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.720
per miniature. They don't quite have
the same options as hero Forage, but

505
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:12.160
I believe they may be cheaper.
I have much less experience with Eldridgeoundy than

506
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.400
I do the other ones. But
hero Forge if you want all the options,

507
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:15.440
all the bells and whistles, and
you want to order a fully done

508
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:20.720
miniature for you, Titan Craft if
you want to make lots and lots of

509
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.839
things all the time and would rather
a larger upfront cost than a per print

510
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.079
cost, if you want to go
all in on it. That is Tier

511
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:34.359
six, that is the full custom
miniatures. You thought we were done I've

512
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:39.119
got a bonus list here, so
that is how you can obtain and make

513
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:43.599
your miniatures. But what do you
do after you have them? So I'm

514
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.400
gonna do just just a real quick
five levels of map grids. So you've

515
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.039
got your six levels of miniatures,
and there's five levels of map grids as

516
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:52.920
well. And Jim is like emphatically
nodding his head. This is one of

517
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.039
his favorites. So my tier one, this is your entry level. Ready

518
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:01.759
for this one? None don't need
one. You can absolutely play without one.

519
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:07.440
The tabletop the tabletop itself, and
there's actually like a small I'm gonna

520
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.599
call it a movement, but there's
like the idea of using non gridded terrain

521
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.159
is kind of going around on like
Instagram and TikTok right now, where like

522
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.639
rather than counting everything by grids and
by squares, people are counting by just

523
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.320
raw movement. And so you would
have like like a little string with knots

524
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.960
every inch or so to show you
how you know what your character's movement is.

525
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.039
Thirty feet cool, you get six, You get six knots, and

526
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:35.000
you get to move that string however
you want, which actually, if you

527
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.639
play Balder's gate Ballers K three.
That's kind of how movement works in that

528
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:45.280
game. So there is a push
going around now for either for non gridded

529
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.400
maps or you might as well just
not have a map at all, just

530
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.480
have knies on the table and you're
playing on this void that has my coffee

531
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.239
on it. And it's cool.
It just play with you commitiatures. It's

532
00:34:54.280 --> 00:35:00.440
fun and it's free. It doesn't
cost you anything to not buy anything.

533
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.920
Level two This is the DIY map
grade. These are super easy. You

534
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.000
just make it yourself. You can
take a blank sheet of paper and just

535
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.159
drow up a quick map on there. So you gotta ripped up pieces of

536
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.440
paper on a larger piece of paper. Why not? Yeah? Why?

537
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.199
I mean, what do you think
miniatures are, Joe? Okay, graph

538
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.280
paper even though graph paper is is
a lot of little squares. You might

539
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.280
be able to find one that's one
inch by one inch, or even if

540
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.480
it's tapped into by half inch,
okay, cool, every four is a

541
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.199
five foot square and you get the
bonus of like, okay, maybe you

542
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.519
only want to move half and that
kind of closes the gap between like no,

543
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:37.760
if if two miniatures right nice to
each other, it says they're five

544
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.960
feet apart. It's like, no, it doesn't feel like we're five feet

545
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.639
apart. It feels like it feels
like we're right on top of each other.

546
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.840
So graph paper can kind of get
you a little more granular. And

547
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.840
then the one that I mentioned in
earlier episode. You can go to the

548
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.519
dollar store, get yourself some cheap
o wrapping paper and flip that over.

549
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.039
And a lot of them have one
inch grads on the back of the wrapping

550
00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:00.079
paper. It is not sturdy at
all. It will rip, but cost

551
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.039
you like a buck. And if
you need a big bad you could Santa

552
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.719
Claus or whatever. Yeah, or
if you need to cast a banish,

553
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:14.480
you can just wrap the miniature up
and mail it somewhere there. Yeah.

554
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.800
But like what's your paper, like
a roll of butcher paper or something like

555
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.039
that. That is another thing that
that's great for because then you just kind

556
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:22.559
of roll it out, draw on
it what you need, and then just

557
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.519
you know, tear it off.
Get some more. You can get those

558
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.679
sessions. You can get those in
your local your doctor's office. Go to

559
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:34.559
throw out the dryer aceport again.
Level three. This is what most people

560
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.639
have. Most people use. You'll
see these all over the place. This

561
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.480
is the Chessicks matt, and there's
other brands that make them too, but

562
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:43.800
Chessix makes the most popular one.
They are this this cool kind of rubbery

563
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.400
ish material that you can roll up. It is final Final battle mats.

564
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:52.159
Yeah or what We're usually two sided
reversible, right, yeah, yeah,

565
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:53.840
I could not think of the word
vinyl. It's like a record. Yeah,

566
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.360
yeah, that's a thousand records in
this house. But yeah, yeah,

567
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.480
they'll they'll be either a blank or
have like a two diferent types of

568
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.280
terrain on either side, like one
looks sandy, one looks like an ocean,

569
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.639
one looks like a forest. You
can get these either like by itself

570
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.000
and they're not too much in bucks
twenty bucks, or you can get the

571
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.360
set of them for thirty forty to
fifty and now come with like three battle

572
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.519
masks that are each reverse posts.
You really get six out of it.

573
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.199
And a lot of the backpacks that
I see made for DMS will have like

574
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.559
a little buckle on the side made
for the rolled up matt. Yeah.

575
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.480
Some of them are just parchment color
too, so you can just draw on

576
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.199
the exactly their dry erase their X
on one side square on the other one

577
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:34.599
inch by one end. So let
me just some of them are dry erase.

578
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.880
The ones that are laminated are dry
erase. Right, if it's a

579
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.599
vinyl matt, it's wet, it's
wet e race. So you do need

580
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:44.880
to get a thing of wet erase
markers. And if you draw on it

581
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.400
with a dry erase marker, it's
like drawing on it with a sharpie and

582
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:50.840
it will not come up. So
you just want to make sure you creak

583
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.119
care off with your vinyl mats,
that you don't draw on it with your

584
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:58.840
dry race markers. Play safe kids, Yes. Yeah. The other thing

585
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.880
that I wanted to mention is that's
kind of like something that's sort of tier

586
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.639
two that kind of goes into tier
three is that you go to like your

587
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.920
office supply store, your staples or
something like that, you can get presentation

588
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:16.119
pads which are the like you know, like maybe two feet wide, you

589
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:20.440
know, two and a half three
feet tall, like dils, like like

590
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:22.760
you make big flip charts with.
But yeah, like those easel pads and

591
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:29.000
they do make those with one inch
grids. Oh wow. So yeah,

592
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.199
so that's I mean, you're going
to be paying you know, like like

593
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:35.599
like a bucket page or something like
that for one of those. So it's

594
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:37.800
a little more than just doing it
with you know, like like a big

595
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.400
pad full of regular draft paper.
But if you can find the right kind,

596
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.639
you can even get them that has
the little like post it sticky stuff

597
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.480
across the top, so you can
take that and you can slap it up

598
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.599
on your wall and then draw on
it and stuff like that. Was kind

599
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:53.880
of a cool thing, and you
can do that. But we used to

600
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.840
use those in the store because you
just kind of throw it down on the

601
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.599
table, you draw on it as
you need it. You can put some

602
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:04.719
tiles and stuff down on it.
Sorry, tiles, I'm I'm crossing over

603
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.960
into another into another tier there,
but you can, but you can use

604
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.760
it for that as well. I
actually don't have tiles on my list.

605
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.440
That's I'm gonna put. I'm gonna
put tiles on the same tier as this

606
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.639
next one. So and and I
agree I agree that this that these are

607
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.079
on the same tier. So tier
four, I'm going to rename this from

608
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:28.119
map books into pre made maps.
So so the tiles that you mentioned with

609
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.159
like you know, like like building
yourself room by room, dungeon type of

610
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:34.559
stuff. There's a few brands that
make those. The D and D ones

611
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.800
are great. There's three official D
and D sets. I don't that kind

612
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:39.840
of go in and out of print, but there's a dungeon set, a

613
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:45.079
wilderness set, and a town set
basically, and if you can find those

614
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.559
somewhere, if you get the three
of those, they're great. And like

615
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.480
I've been, I've used them for
years and I swear by those. That's

616
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:53.679
basically all I own, yeah,
is a roll of vinal map and those

617
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:55.920
three tile sets, and you do
pretty much everything you want. And the

618
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.840
tiles make is scalable too. Mm
hmm. You only one room in this

619
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:04.320
tavern, you got one tile?
You want to build the whole town square,

620
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.400
make as big as you want.
What I had in mind was that

621
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.599
these books pre made maps, particularly
the ones made by Lake. I have

622
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.159
all of their large books. They
have a lot of smaller books that I

623
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.079
don't have, but we use these, Joe, you and I use these

624
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.119
at the the Brewery game that we
ran. But these are their full color,

625
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.719
they're already done their dry erase,
and they look awesome, and they

626
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.639
are varied enough to where like I
can kind of get something that's close enough

627
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.960
to what I had in mind for
that particular room, or in some cases

628
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.840
it gave me inspiration on what a
room should look like. There was one

629
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.679
of them where I had our final
showdown and I didn't envision it to be

630
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.400
two tiered, and they have like
stairs going up to a balcony, and

631
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:44.400
it kind of changed. It kind
of changed how the fight went, and

632
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.000
it was really it's really cool.
Actually, So that's the the pre made

633
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.519
maps that's Tier four and Tier five. If you're already going nuts with building

634
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.480
your own miniatures and already going nuts
and everything else, you can do what

635
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:01.159
I have and get the digital map. This is is a repurposed flat screen

636
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:07.719
TV turned into a tabletop map set. And from here there's like sub tiers

637
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.599
of like I can't even do a
tier list on the digital maps themselves,

638
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.400
because you can just you know,
find find a PDF and just you put

639
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.519
that up on the screen and that
that's what that's all I do. That's

640
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.360
all I really have, the the
the artistic know how. And then there's

641
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:27.000
there's like these animated ones that have
like weather and lighting effects of fog of

642
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.280
war, and like some of them
work with touch screens. That wherever there's

643
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.800
a miniature or not does the flog
of war. They get insane and I

644
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.760
am not good enough to work with
those. But there's all kinds of Instagram

645
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.599
and TikTok accounts you can follow for
stuff like that. I do make some

646
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.480
of my own maps in there's a
program called the Dungeon Alchemy that you can

647
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.360
make your maps pretty quickly and they
look awesome, and there's like a like

648
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.760
a semi three D effect, and
there's like a really like subtle motion,

649
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.000
like the trees will kind of move
a little bit in the wind. And

650
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.719
I wish there was more animation than
what there is. But like the fire,

651
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.960
you know, looks like fire and
there's little smoke coming from it,

652
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.159
and it's just like that, just
that one little extra step of immersion.

653
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.239
So I do. I do use
that one. And I'll use like you

654
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.280
know, two dimensional PDFs and just
throw them up on the board. So

655
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.039
that's your and so to make one, it's you can make it yourself.

656
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.840
Their plans all over the place.
You can do it for fairly cheap if

657
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.519
you're if you're a woodworker and just
get someone gets some two buys and make

658
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.119
some make a frame for a TV
and a find a way to mount it

659
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.360
inside there. I bought mine.
I had an extra TV line around after

660
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:36.079
we moved. We wanted one less
TV in the house, so I dug

661
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.320
the I dug this extra thirty two
inch TV out of a closet and then

662
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.480
bought a frame that was already made. It cost me like three hundred bucks

663
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.840
for the frame and the mounted of
this TV I already owned, and just

664
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.480
keep an extra HTMI cable in my
DM bag. But the next set,

665
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.599
the next step from there is to
get like a cheap like Apple TV or

666
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.840
some sort of casting device and have
that already pre mounted inside there so I

667
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.320
could throw wirelessly. Yeah, but
someone else had the idea of using like

668
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.599
in an extra monitor with like a
splitter so I can see without having to

669
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.920
lean over the table what's on the
board. And there's some cool stuff there.

670
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.440
But that's that's that's your level five. You want to go all in

671
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.119
map, I'm gonna I'm actually going
to add a sixth level for I hope

672
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.719
you do. Yeah. The sixth
level would be to buy you can buy

673
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:24.320
some really nice expensive terrain pieces.
Yeah, behigh and resin terrain is ye

674
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.519
that are are already done. There's
modular systems. Maybe I don't know,

675
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.159
maybe Level five kind of splits into
two different directions where you go full digital

676
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.599
and full tactile full analog. Yeah, exactly, full analog. Yeah.

677
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.400
Yeah, I've seen really cool videos
on like so I mentioned that that like

678
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:47.559
animation, that animation, but like
the map software that with full animation and

679
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.760
like weather and stuff. There's dms
that are combining that with terrain on the

680
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.679
digital board. Oh sure, yeah, so now it is not on interactive

681
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.519
it's three D yeah. Yeah.
And then I actually saw a really cool

682
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:07.320
example of I guess a little bit
deep but advanced, was using XPS insulation

683
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.079
and like carving it out. Oh
yeah yeah yeah, I mean maybe really

684
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.480
basically making like a large diorama for
your players to play on. Yeah.

685
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:20.599
And if you need help on how
to work stuff like that, especially with

686
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:22.400
like the heat knife that you need
to cut through that, go to your

687
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:28.639
local gaming store on Warhammer Night,
yeah, because all those Warhammers guys all

688
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.840
know how to make that stuff.
At that point, you're almost playing at

689
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.719
Warhammer. Yeah. I see.
That's the kind of like stuff that I'd

690
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.599
love if I had the time.
I would love to do that. Listen,

691
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.639
I love reading rules. I don't
have the patience for Warhammer. No,

692
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.519
no, no, no, not
for Warhammer. I'd love to make

693
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:46.840
ter rain. Yeah, yeah,
thought I thought it make me take a

694
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:52.320
loan out or something because Warhammer's expensive. Yeah, but it's also worth noting

695
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.519
going back to something you said before, Jason that I mean, no kidding,

696
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:59.519
not joking. Warhammer night is when
you go to the store to find

697
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.440
people who are happy to take ten
bucks from you to do a custom paint

698
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.719
job at one of your minis because
they're spending all their time painting all of

699
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:12.920
those space marines or orcs or whatever, and just like throwing a quick wash

700
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.599
and then a little bit of dry
brushing onto your fighter to make them look

701
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.440
cool. They can do that in
like fifteen minutes in a way that would

702
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:22.159
sort of take me like two hours, and that would still come out looking

703
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.280
crabby. So that's a great place
to find that resource and also to maybe

704
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.239
get someone to get someone interested in
D and D who you already know is

705
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:36.880
into MC gamings. Yeah, so
that's my little bonus list on. How

706
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.880
about different tiers of maps to go
along with your different tiers of miniatures?

707
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.199
And they don't fantastic. Those those
tiers don't have to match each other.

708
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.840
You can absolutely have expensive miniatures on
No Planet and vice versa. You guys,

709
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:51.880
it the way, That's the way
I prefer to do it. If

710
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:53.440
I got money to spend, if
I had fifty bucks to spend, I

711
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.719
would never spend it on a resid
terrain set. You know, I would

712
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.400
buy one of the like limited dragons
that they come out with once a year

713
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:06.079
or something like that. You know, I'd always much rather have you know,

714
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.840
cool figures and then we can draw
it and use tiles and fig the

715
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:13.639
rest of it out because that leaves
the players with a lot more possibilities.

716
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.039
Yeah, I mean, just because
of the order of which I got things.

717
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.679
And like I said, the digital
map came from me having an extra

718
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.199
TV, which is like one of
the bigger hurdles of making a digital map.

719
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.280
I got the digital map before I
own a single miniature. So here

720
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.480
I am using my Tier two wooden
coins on my Tier five digital map.

721
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.559
You know, these are absolutely mix
and match, and you make a table

722
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.760
fit how you want it to fit, and don't forget like that. You

723
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.800
can spend infinite money on this stuff. You don't have to the important thing

724
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.159
and we have to remember that at
the end of the day, does this

725
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:50.719
help us tell a good story?
That's why we're here. And if having

726
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.039
a totally immersive battle map helps just
a little bit more, then go for

727
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:58.119
it. If your table does just
fine without it, go for it,

728
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.679
like it's it's totally fine. And
also with the digital ones, you can

729
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.920
really bite up forth and you can
chew very quickly with those, So make

730
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.920
sure that you're using it properly.
And that's with anything else. If you're

731
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.760
laying terrain on there, make sure
that you're actually like making it worthwhile,

732
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:14.360
like if you're gonna put down like
if you're gonna put down like hills,

733
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:15.760
you know, make sure that you're
actually doing difficult train as we're trying to

734
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.599
climb, you know, stuff like
that. But use these tools to make

735
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:28.039
your game more fun or more immersive, or your story get told in a

736
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.760
better way. You can go to
fear to the mind, if you can

737
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.599
pull that off, doesn't matter.
So this is all to say that,

738
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.199
like, if this is a route
you want to go, here's how I'm

739
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.440
breaking it down. That's all it
is, right, So we're gonna put

740
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.719
some links to places where people can
find some of the stuff. Yeah,

741
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.639
as as I go and edit,
I want to just crab all the links

742
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.079
of everything we said, and links
to every fantastic links to everything that I

743
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.719
can think of will be in the
show notes. So go check those out.

744
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:53.760
And if you have anything that I
missed. If you have, just

745
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:57.320
tell me how you do your miniatures. Tell me how you got your first

746
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.320
miniatures. Tell me the first miniatures
that you played with, whether they're yours

747
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.599
or someone else's. I want to
know how miniatures fit into your games.

748
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.440
You can just you can send us
an email over at Hello Adventures Podcast at

749
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:13.039
gmail dot com or tell us yourself
at Hello Adventures podcast dot com slash voice,

750
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.400
and if it's a cool story,
we'll put it on the show.

751
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:22.119
I am actually old enough that my
first d D miniatures were actually made out

752
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.519
of lead. Wow, which which
may say a little something about how I

753
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:30.239
ended up, but yeah, actually
led lead miniatures earlier. Ralph Park the

754
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.800
leed d D. You were talking
about plastic miniatures earlier, and I thought

755
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.400
that's the direction you were going to
go with it, because yeah, well

756
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.360
that's I mean, you can still
find those out there. They're very expensive

757
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:44.840
because they're they're big up collectibles now, but they're out there to be found,

758
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:46.920
no where to look. So we're
gonna we're gonna call this here,

759
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:52.519
go forth and make your games,
make your games miniature. I have a

760
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.320
feeling that we're gonna see some miniatures
that are king soon, I hope.

761
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.719
So it's fun. Yeah, So
thanks so much. Listening to the show

762
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.239
with your host, Jason Portiso,
Joe McCaul and Jim Crocker. The music

763
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.920
is by Nick Scurryer artwork by Kristin
Roderick. I think that's going to do

764
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:24.559
it for today, So until next
time, goodbye, h