RPG Horror Story: These Players WANT To Be Railroaded??

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Hell and hello, yea perfect nilding. We're gonna get that again. We're

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as my wife. We're gonna leave
it in as is, Thank you so

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level up your game. We're just
gonna start it off completely off the rails.

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That's fine. Yeah, that was
sort of a horror story of an

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introduction. Well, today's story is
about keeping things on the rails. I'm

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gonna say, is it about players
not paying attention? Because that was me?

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You got me. That's not even
the story. That's just facts.

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It's horror facts. We're going to
do horror story today. We're pulling this

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one from the RPG horror story subreddit
from user grand Red Larceny. But I

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love this story. I love what
it implies. And I know, particularly

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Jim is going to have plenty to
say about this, and so do I

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so Joe. Yes, our listeners
may have learned that I have opinions about

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things. Yes, I should hope
so or else In particular, it's a

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pretty host. Today's horror story is
titled the Players want to limit the quote

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DM influence. I am intrigued on
that's what a good title will do story

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goes. So this is something that
has never really happened to me before.

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I've been to DM for a while, not extremely experienced or anything like that,

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but I've run a few games.
A few weeks ago, I started

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talking to someone I know and they
mentioned that they had a group of friends

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looking for a DM and asked if
I could do it since I really liked

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D and D. I didn't think
twice and said sure. I met with

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this group for a session zero of
sorts to discuss what they were looking for

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in a game. And here's what
they told me. They wanted someone to

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run cursive strawed for them, which
is fine, that's one of my favorite

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modules. But that's where the problems
came up. I told them I'd be

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happy to as cursive strad actually has
a lot of variables and ways to make

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these things interesting. That was when
a player stopped me mid sentenced and said,

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before you start, I want to
make sure you're running it for us

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without change. I want you to
not influence the module at all, don't

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even change a comma. I hate
when dms think they know better than the

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folks at D and D. That
was strange to say the least. But

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I understand wanting to run something as
it was intended, and I said I

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would definitely follow the module. However, the player continued, No, you

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shouldn't even use dialogue that isn't in
the module. Okay, that's how D

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and D is meant to be played. Also, you need to roll dice

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out in the open for us to
see. Things felt really strange to me.

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I know, I'm not experienced or
anything, but this didn't feel normal.

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So I asked them plainly what they're
expecting of me, and this one

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player, who seemed to be speaking
for the group said, we hate when

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dms abuse their powers to manipulate the
world. That's why we only play modules

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and make sure the dms don't change
a single thing from them. I imagine

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my expression didn't seem too good when
he said that, because what followed were

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a bunch of complaints about dms,
and from me, it sounded way too

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close to player versus DM mentality.
It went on for a while, but

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there was no way I was dming
for them. I'm barely experience. Good

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choice, I'm Billy's okay, okay, good because like I thought, like

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like many of these horror stories start
with, here's the huge red flags that

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I ignored. Yeah he did and
forged ahead. Anyways, Somewhere somewhere in

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our third year of this campaign,
I thought, hmm, this feels a

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little odd. Yeah, that's good, says I'm barely experienced enough to do

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with normal players, and to me, this definitely, this definitely isn't normal.

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Honestly, at that point, they
were expecting me to be an AI

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simulator for their game with a voice, which is not at all what I'm

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looking for. I told them that
that we aren't going to be a good

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fit as expected. They didn't like
my response and started to angrily shout at

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me that I was wasting their time, that I wasn't a quote true DM,

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et cetera. That being said,
I would no longer be DM me

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for this group ever anyone that's this
friend of mine introduces me to. I'm

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just glad that they didn't go beyond
session zero. They were shouting, but

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you're not a real DM unless you
don't DM like you just you just need

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to read the book and then just
do just only say what's in the book.

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Don't even change a comma. Why
doesn't that player? My first thought

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is why doesn't that player Okay,
no, Actually my first thought is like

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this would make a terrible horror movie
because you know, like how we're all

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shouting like no, don't go down
into the basement, like that's what this

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person did. They're like, I'm
just not going to go down there.

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I'm just gonna add Yeah, I'm
going to leave this house. Actually,

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I'm not going to go investigate that
weird sound at all. I'm good.

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I'm gonna go home now. Yeah, and there's no harm movie that's what

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happened here. But then my second
thought is, why doesn't that player just

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be the DM right if it's like
if you're just reading from the literal them,

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Yeah, you don't need to do
anything if you're just reading a story

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book to your friends. Yeah,
like I'll bring over a copy of,

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like, just know, some fantasy
book and you can just all work together

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and read it together. Yeah.
Also, how does that player know if

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if if I go off the rails? How does he know? Oh,

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you reading ahead? I mean,
and part part of me sympathizes though here,

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like like I'm trying to find some
empathy for these players because clearly they

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had a DM like that they had
real problems with like one of our other

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horror stories. Yeah, exactly,
like like in the past that led to

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this trauma that they're expressing to this, you know, the new guy who's

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like, Okay, I was hoping
to run D and D and not be

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your therapist. So yeah, yeah, yeah, but but but good for

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him for like, and that's why
you have a session zero, folks.

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Yeah, and why your session zero
is let's make sure this is gonna work,

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right, and and you know,
and good on him for saying not

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gonna work. Sorry, Nope,
that's not not how we want to be

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going about it. I was scrolling
through some of the comments here of there's

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some golden there, Like my favorite
one of the top comment is nice deck

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saving me. They're dodging that bullet. Yeah, yeah, it's that it

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doesn't matter if it's not twenty right. The DC was low out out the

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way, yes, yeah, yeah, So say, what do they expect

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you to do if they speak to
an NPC that has no written line?

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Just stand there and not answer.
Yeah. That was my next question was,

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like, you don't have any dialogue
written for this guy? If I

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was citistic enough the DM for them, that's exactly what I would do stare

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at them in pure malicious compliance.
Yeah, sometimes you got to give people

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what they want for them to understand
that they don't actually want that. Yeah,

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so what do we do in this
situation? Obviously, the the DM

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left, and that is the correct
call to go run a game they want

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to play with. The DM is
also a player at the table and should

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be having as much fun as anybody
else. So this wasn't the right game

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for the DM. But the players, I hope they either if they want

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to continue playing D and D they
should, you know, figure out that

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that's how it runs. I hope
they find a DM that's good enough to

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like undo a bad experience they problem
bad, or they just have storybook hour

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and just read a book to each
other. That's kind of what they want,

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and I'm kind of serious about that, like like like find a cool

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fantasy book and just read it together
during a book club. I'm super curious

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whether this would be the first time
that that group has played Cursus Strode or

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whether they're no kidding, think of
it in terms of like a video game,

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and maybe the thing is they played
it through before and they want to

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play it again to see if they
can, you know, somehow like like

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like optimize or go in different directions
or something like that. But it's got

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to run exactly the same way,
otherwise they won't know, you know,

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whether it was Like I just think
I think what it is is. I

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think they're northern northern Dungeonists, and
they take a very literal interpretation of the

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Book of Straw with no room for
interpretation whatsoever whatsoever. Anythink that's probably as

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opposed to more liberal Borovianists. Well
yeah, yeah, yeats, they do

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allow some interpretation of the bow that's
man and in particular and in particular that

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module more than any others. The
fun of that module is as a DM,

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sinking your teeth into it and making
like the weird gothicness of that like

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your thing, right, Like no
two dms should have the same straw voice,

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right when they talk of you know, when they do his voice,

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and when you do the you know
whatever the fourtune and tell her and all

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that like like that is your opportunity
to just you know, be weird and

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have fun with it. And the
idea that somebody is gonna, you know,

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wants you to run that that module
of all of them, you know,

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totally on rails is just it's just
it's set like it's just a missed

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opportunity for everybody. It should be
a for interpretation. As long as everyone

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agrees that Strat is hot, that's
all that matters. My last because it's

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thirsty and you're doing it right.
Yeah, So what is your straw voice?

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I didn't run so okay, but
I just come up with one right

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now. I would probably go super
campy, like like bla, like the

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stand, the beating about the like
the like the cartoonish nineteen fifties like bad

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Vampires. Yeah, like uh the
I think a real solution for those players

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is go play Baalder Skate. Yeah, it is a video game. It

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cannot be it cannot break it pro
Yeah the game. Go play AG three.

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Yeah, it's we can be becau. Everything has to be pre program

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and you can play. And the
great thing about Baller's Gate you can play

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co op. You can have your
friends on the mics with you, and

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you can all do it. You
go through together just like a plaint,

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a regular D and D game,
and that you don't have to worry that

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anybody might inject their personality into God
forbid running go to based someone like plays

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but seriously, kind of picking up
on something you said, Jim is getting

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down to like like, was there
no room for any kind of discourse?

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There was there no like well,
okay, hold hold on, I'm not

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I don't think I'm better than the
people at Dungeons and Dragons that wrote this,

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and I don't think I know better
than that. However, however,

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like here, let's go to this
part of the d MG that was written

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by these same people. Let me
show you this, and and you know

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that that's where I don't know.
I guess like what kicks in for me

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if I'm seriously in this situation after
kind of laughing and being like you guys,

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okay, that was a good one. You always got me, and

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then we go out you're serious,
Okay, well what do you really want

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to play? Yeah? Is like
getting into like okay, I obviously need

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to educate you on something like okay, so let's let's break that down.

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And so so I get saying like
no, not for me, I'm good,

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thank you, but no, thank
you. But at the same time,

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to your point, it's like maybe
something kind of horrible happened to them

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in the past. Maybe it's someone
where they had some kind of this.

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They definitely had some kind of asshole
DM that was like just completely arbitrarily changing

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what was in the module. You
know, there's a sweet spot there between

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you run it word for word verbatim, and you sit down to play strawed

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and they end up in you know, like and they end up in Strict

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Saving instead or something like that.
You know, you you decide that that

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you you really want to run a
Magical Academy game, so you drop the

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Magical Academy into Barovian they never even
see straed kind of thing as far as

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like seeing a room for discourse,
you know, if we're ever taking the

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story your face value. There are
two points where the players interrupted DM right

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in order to say in order to
double down on saying they don't want anything

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fun, so I don't think there
was much room for discourse. And also

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like this wasn't the DM's friends.
This was a friend friends of a friend

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that liken't He doesn't know these people, doesn't owe them anything, So no,

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and I don't think that, right, I don't think that. So,

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so what would you do? Is
how much time do you have?

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Because because I'm going to do one
of two things, depending on how much

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one of three things, depending on
how much time I have I'm going to

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One is nothing and leave. One
is to say I honestly don't have time

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for this. Yeah, this sounds
like it's not my game. Thanks,

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thanks, but no thanks and leave. The second one is to do what

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I said is to try to educate
them. Sure, okay, you know

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this is open to interpretation. I'm
not going to change any anything. I'm

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not going to change anything. However, there are parts that are maybe slightly

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ambiguous that I need to kind of
fill in. That's how this game is

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designed. And here's a two sentence
description of this shopkeeper. And if you

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guys want to talk to him,
I got to make some shit up right,

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and like kind of explain that.
And then the third one is,

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if I'm feeling particularly saucy, I'm
having a bad day and I have some

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time, I am going to malicious, maliciously comply. I'm gonna give you

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exactly Okay, that's what you want. Sure, here we go, and

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you're going to get the most vanilla
mhm yep land game of your life.

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Yeah, and that's maybe exactly what
they want. Maybe they'll be thrilled at

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that. I don't know, Yeah, but certainly that like like I like

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the kind of like that. I
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we only have one angle on this
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some time going do we really understand
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you really asking what I think you're
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a little bit, them going oh
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and you know, come at it
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they were really no kidding as adamant
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initially were. Yeah, like I
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double that for me, that's I
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for or for educating anybody on this
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figure it out, or they go
pick up a copy of Boulder's Gate or

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start a book club, and I
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spend your afternoon. This is This
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and D players, And if the
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this DM are listening, some of
the best lines in the movies, some

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of the best lines of movies are
improv Okay, I'm just gonna throw that

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out there. Yeah, the part
where Eric gorn Broker's thumb, he improved

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that line that wasn't in script.
He was like, you know what,

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I'm gonna break my thumb here.
Or when Harrison Ford was hungover or no,

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not hungover, he was sick in
Indiana Jones and the guy comes and

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he does all these cool night things
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improv because he didn't want to be
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you know, I mean my favorite
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is because the truth is I am
iron Man, not in the script down.

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He just did it and everybody loved
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that became that iconic thing, and
that just that's and that's where that that's

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where those things can can happen.
Yep. Yeah, a lot of the

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magic happens folks and the commers.
There's a lot of speculation exactly what you

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said, Jim, is that these
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to optimize their speed run. Yeah, a lot of speculation on that Twitch

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speed road of straw And then piggybacking
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people just want to win whatever game
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doesn't really have a win or lose. Yeah, David, that's the wrong

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module to play then, from my
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they've done it before or optimized on
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win D and D. It's not
the module to play. So what would

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you have done in this situation?
What and have you had a DM that

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went a little too far off the
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a little bit. Reach out to
us Hello Adventures Podcast at gmail, dot

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voice and if you can do it
in your straw voice, that would be

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awesome. You have to make it
hot. Yeah, uh anything bad boys,

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No, I think this is good
from me. Yeah, this was.

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This is like the perfect type of
horror story that we'd like to see

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on the show where it's just like
like what were these people thinking? Yeah,

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it was cool man, and they
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d M left without them this Yeah, that was like like like Joe was

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saying, the house said, yeah, you know what, too bad,

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we can't stay. I will thank
you. They had capital idea. Sir

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