Monster Deep Dive: Mimics

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Hello Adventures, the podcast for role
players aim game masters to help level up

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your game. We're done your masters, Jason Portiso, I'm Joe McCall and

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Jim Craper, and today we're gonna
see if this is really my microphone or

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not. We're talking about mimics.
No fantastic. Jim got to do his

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Nole's deep dive last month. I
get to his favorite monster. Joe got

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to talk about Haggs, which I
assume is his favorite monster. If you

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if you want to talk about it
that bad? Do you have a favorite

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monster? Joe just has is like
not a bad answer, but like you

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look a little I don't know if
that's my favorite. I had just I

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had just done a lot of research
on eggs, which is why I get

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I don't know, come back to
me on who my favorite? My favorite

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monster? I feel like it's like
having a favorite dinosaur. You just have

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that answer ready to go. Is
most recently prepped monster? Yeah, I

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have a favorite. You need to
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slash voice. Yeah, or anytime
you see me on the street. Yeah,

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in the supermarket, youngs Joe yous
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in front of Joe's house. If
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am going to leave a link to
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Yes. In the Australia. Uh. But my my absolute favorite monster Uh,

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not only just because they're just like
they're so fun to throw in a

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game, but they can be like
they can just be so just iconic and

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everyone kind of knows what they are, whether they play the game or not,

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and like it's it's just a cool
like identifier that you are, like

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kind of on the end of this
game, I have I have a bunch

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of tattoos, but I do have
a mimic tattoo Nom Nom Nomin on a

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D twenty and it's right on my
wrist. It's one of the one of

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the most easily seen tattoos that I
have, and I'm proud of it.

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So we're gonna talk about just just
how cool mimics are. When we started

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pitching this deep dive idea, we
thought this is gonna be like a very

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informative thing, and it's gonna be
very academic and we're all gonna learn something

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today. And then and then Jim's
like, I'm gonna tell you my favorite

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things about Knowles and like so that
the Hags episode was like a very like

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no high school level book report,
Like I'm not gonna lie to you freshman

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college. How about that? I
guess you know high school is fine.

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Yeah, it was a high school
mulde better, it was a it was

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a research paper, and and and
I was cool hundred tons from that episode.

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And then Jim Brook pretts it right
down to think, these are my

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favorite things about Knowles, and I
was, you know, this is this

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is the energy that I want.
So I'm gonna tell you my just some

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really cool things about mimics. And
but I would make sure that you learn

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a lot about their their combat and
how they're used in games, because just

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looking at their stat block is like, Okay, these are kind of cool,

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but like when you really like dissect
their stat block, they're awesome,

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and they can really they're a low
cr but they can really kind of mess

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up some low level of parties.
So can I please and terrify your players?

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Oh god? Yeah, let's just
sometimes sometimes the combat is not the

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payoff. I want the I want
the ever looming threat of mimics out there.

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So which is gonna get me to
my first point? So let's get

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into it. So my first point
and like this is just like, let's

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just get this off the bat.
This is probably the coolest thing about them,

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and the most iconic part of them
is that anything can be a mimic

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if you don't know what and what
kind of enemies to throw at your players

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today, guess what that's a mimic. Now, Yeah, I was gonna

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say, can you give us a
broad sense of exactly what mimic is for

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those Yes, I'll thousand foot view
of mimics. Let me back it up

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a step. So, mimics are
shape shifters, and in their true form

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they're kind of like amorphous blobs.
But their true form is not what makes

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them interesting. In fact, rarely
do ever even see them in their true

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form. In what is called object
form, they can perfectly take the form

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of anything, and usually inanimate objects. Very generous DM could maybe even turn

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them into like shape shifters, but
that's really kind of beyond beyond it,

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So we'll just say inanimate objects most
classically chests. You'll kind of always see

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them in the treasure chest form,
although that is not the only option that

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they can be. They really can
be anything. In fact, I'm gonna

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look at the stat block here that
I could have sworn I had up pa

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saw one of the Facebook groups like
they were like spot the mimics in this

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picture, and I think they ended
up being a bail of hay a,

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just like a support beam like in
a barn. No, no, I

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forget what the other thing was,
like a rock or something to reading stript

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from the stat block here. So
this is the shape changer ability. The

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mimic can use its action to polymorph
into an object or back into its true

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amorphous form. Its statistics are the
same in each form. Any equipment it

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is wearing or carrying is not transformed. It reverts to its true form if

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it dies, which is usually the
only time you're going to see the true

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form, and the other one is
false appearance. While it's an object form

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only, while the mimic remains motionless, it is indistinguishable from an ordinary object,

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so it is a perfect copy.
This isn't like Pokemon's ditto where it

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still has the weird looking eyes this
is like a this looks just like the

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thing that it's mimicking. Like I
say, the most classic version of it,

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this goes back to to first edition
where it's going to take the form

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of a treasure chest and you throw
it in your dungeon and the players don't

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poke it with a ten foot pole. First, they don't throw a ball

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bearing at it, and then all
of a sudden, this treasure chest is

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now nomin on them. Yeah they
lose a hand yep, yeah, yeah,

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or whole arm and like they're there's
a you can really get into maaming

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rules and that's that's a that's an
earlier edition thing, but their rules are

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still out there and just throwing out
there. But yes, a mimic can

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be anything, So not only just
the classic treasure chest, but some other

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really like nefarious examples that I hear
get thrown around a lot. A door

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could be a mimic, the door
frame could be the mouth of a mimic.

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The door knob, A lot of
door stuff gets thrown around. My

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players can check the door, they'll
knock on it and say, okay,

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I'm pretty sure it's real. Then
they reach for the knob and it's like

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rolling a mimic. It could be
a potion which is a really messed up.

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Oh yeah, that's a good one, or the floor a tile on

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the floor. Absolutely, there are
labels. Yeah, there is a there's

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a campaign that I'll mention. Uh
oh no, I might as well mention

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it now. So I mentioned Dan
Dave a lot on the show because he

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I follow his patren and he comes
down with new campaigns like every week.

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And I have run this particular one
shot I want to say, three or

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four times at a different store games
and even at my own table at home.

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And you know, I might be
biased, but it was my favorite

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one he's done. It is called
Mimic Museum. And the the first thing

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you want to do is not tell
your players what it's called. Kind of

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kind of gives up the museums,
musicum. And the first time that they

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reach for that book on the shelf, it's the first one they're going to

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run into. So mix in that
game the book in Harry Potter, right,

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and it looks like a book with
teeth. I think a better Harry

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Potter example is the Womping Willow.
Yeah, it just looks like a tree

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yep, until it starts until just
in that game alone. Off the top

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of my head, mimics can be
a book, a chair, some some

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sort of like weapon artifacts like that's
like behind glass I think in hire ornamental

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shield hanging on the wall, the
yep, I think one of the higher

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levels, the one of the one
of the suit of Armors and fair skin

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rug. I believe there's even a
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That's that's part of that one.
And my my favorite is is in you

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know this this is kind of just
for the DMS here, ok, just

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just like if you're a player,
just fast forward like thirty seconds in the

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in the final battle, it's a
couple of cultists and their backpacks are mimics.

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Oh geez, it's the they're carrying
around with them. They're swapping out

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artifact from for mimics. Yeah,
sure, so it's it's it's a really

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fun andmpaign. I'm gonna have a
link to that in the show notes.

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I believe a single level version of
it is free, and if you subscribe

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a Patreon you get all levels.
But yeah, so it really literally anything

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can be a mimic, and I
want you to get creative. Okay,

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we're done with cursed items. Okay, we're going mimic items. It's like,

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all players, he's a sword sticking
out in the in the middle of

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there, and it looks like a
it's like a shiny plus three sword.

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Let's go, let's go check that
out. Nope, can't get big.

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The not only the womping willow,
but I mean the classic mimic is the

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is John Carpenter is the thing?
Yeah, anything and any one could be

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could be the It could be the
thing. Yeah, maybe not any one

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in the Inn D and D's case, but it's you know, you never

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know what it's going to be.
And then you start throwing enough mimics at

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people and they start questioning everything.
And this is the psychological torture that we

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want. Yeah, that's what we
want to do to our player. The

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fight itself is not that bad,
and actually let's get into fighting. Hello

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com slash voice. Now let's get
back to the show. So mimics are

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only a challenge reading too. So
this is you know, made for lower

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level parties, but that doesn't mean
higher level versions of them don't exist.

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There are there's a lot of I
don't know if cobol Press specifically has beefed

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up mimics stats, but there are
lots and lots of third party beefed up

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mimic stats. So you can throw
a higher level players or again, the

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fight, the mimic fight is not
the main event here. It's the psychological

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torture that anything could be a mimic. That's kind of kind of like a

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jump scare when when you realize what's
going on with it. Yeah, and

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I find that the the the the
inverse bell curve of the same type of

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bell curve that you'll see on like
when you do like a dumb joke,

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over and over and over again.
Okay, it's very funny, and then

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it's very funny, and then it's
less funny, and then it's less funny,

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and then it's annoying, and then
you hate the person that does it,

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and then you just want to kill
them, and then it's worse,

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and then it's worse, and then
all of a sudden, it's funny again.

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Yes, and the funnier than it
ever has. You just keep pushing

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on through the part where they want
to kill you, mimics through the same

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thing. You throw one or two
at them. They're having a good time.

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You throw a bunch at them.
They're like, okay, I can't

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everything can't be a mimic ken it. And they're like, okay, it

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just starts to feel like a rug, like like just just a rug pull

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at some point, Yeah, but
guess what that rug is? A mimics.

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Then it's like, okay, you
gotta throw something other mimics at us.

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It's like, really, another mimic, Jason, really, and then

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it's like okay, enough with the
mimics. And then finally it's like,

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okay, I'm pretty sure this thing
is a mimic then they start having fun

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with it again, so just keep
throwing it at them, and so they

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want to kill you and keep going. But mimics in in actual combat have

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a couple of really cool things going
for them, and that is their grappling

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ability, which is just it's it's
tops here and in such an unassuming type

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of enemy. Not only do they
have the grappler fee so that when they

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are grappling you they have advantage on
their byte attack, but they also have

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the adhesive property, which means that
anything and anyone will stick to it as

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soon as they touch it. It
doesn't even have to be the pseudo pod

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tongue. They can just try to
unlock the fake chest and all of a

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sudden there's stuff stuck. Wow,
and anything stuck to mimic is instantly grappled.

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Now, escaping from a mimic scrapple
is only a DC thirteen strength However,

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being grappled because you disadvantage on the
strength check. Yeah, so now

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I gotta make a DC thirteen at
disadvantage, which is still not that difficult,

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but you know your your chance to
basicly cut in half. And then

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they have their byte attack on top
of that, which is only a D

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eight, but it's also not only
is the piercing damage from the bite,

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but it's also an additional D eight
for acid damage. So if you're going

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against a bunch of level two's,
like you're like a CR two monsters are

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supposed to, that can really be
kind of devastating for your low your low

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HP classes like Wizards, Sorcerers that
you know, start seeing a spell scroll

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on the floor and then all of
a sudden, the pseudo pod is coming

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out of it. On top of
the bite attack, it does have a

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pseudo pot attack, which I believe
they flavor as the tongue, and it's

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the damages finds a d A plus
three for bludgeoning. But the more important

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part of it is that does subject
them to the adhesive trait and it's less

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about the damage. The damage is
a bonus, but it's a way of

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grappling something that hasn't touched it yet. Yeah, and these are also critters

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that I think are ideally combined with
other monsters, right like that situation you

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described where the cultists have those mimics
on their back because they've developed you know,

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they've either like cut a deal with
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relationship or something like that that's really
into an interesting use of them, Like

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if they're like if there's a single
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you get the jump scare, but
then the party just gets together and they

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just you know, just mash it
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But you combine it with other monsters, then you start getting into some

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interesting stuff. Mimics hold hold people
down while you know, the orcs bashed

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brains in that kind of thing.
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distract the other players from saving the
grappled player, because if a mimic produces

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you to zero, it then starts
to digest you. Yeah, there we

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go, and it will do a
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date of acid damage every turn.
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it's still going to give you one. Yeah, and that is a

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real sense of urgency for the other
players to get you. I think it

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would be really great to pair them
with like a trap slash puzzle, you

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know, have a couple of mimics
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or a trap that triggers that or
something, you know. I mean,

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there's a couple of things that jump
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the first is that if they've got
that acid secretion and the digestion and stuff

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like that, you know, maybe
you'd decide, I don't know whether this

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is like there's anything in the stat
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but maybe you decide that they are
immune to the acid image from a gelatinous

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cube. Oh, they actually are
immune to acid damage. Gin there,

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we mean to acid damage. So
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right, you know that is like
half dissolved in a gelatinous cube with like

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one hand with a ring on it
just out of the right. You know.

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and you know them and the you
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of just digest you together as part
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That's how you jump this up from
a level two encounter up to like

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six or so. Yes, yeah, that's great. Yeah, you have

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that working with that critter. The
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me is that, you know,
mimics have to reproduce somehow, right,

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there's got to be baby mimics out
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big mimic in the form of a
treasure chest, right, and all the

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gold pieces that are layered in it, those are tiny little babys, right,

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So you flip the lid open and
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then these things all just you know, and maybe they're only doing one point

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of damage apiece, but there's a
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your buddies have to peel them off
at you or stab them very carefully or

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something like that, you know,
as they're swarming around the place, stepping

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into a red red ant hill,
right, Yeah, they're all fighting you

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at the same time. I'm sure
someone out there has like a cr one

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quarter version of the mimic. Yeah, and then there's just a huge swarm

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of them because they stick to you. Oh God, Now, I know

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when you said baby mimic, you
meant like a mimic child. But like,

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I have this horrifying image in my
head of a baby mimic. Oh

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god, a human child with a
doll. The doll yeah, but uh,

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a baby I too. I took
a look at the monsters know what

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they're doing, and there's another hord
mimic where like if you're fighting a dragon,

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it's horde could also be Yeah,
there you go, a mimic.

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Oh so now you mimic. Not
only are not getting a horde at the

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end of this dragon battle, but
now you got mimics on. Now you

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got mimics on your hands. Yeah, they are. They're one of the

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most annoying monsters, which maybe you
violate them so much. Yeah, and

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I guess you know so then I
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how do you make sure that they're
that they're actually fun? I mean,

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we joked a little bit about like
you use them, you use and use

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them, but like I feel like
they can't be like one hundred percent arbitrary

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just out of the blue. Do
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they're that this is something they might
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it, is it just you know, do they just kaboom, there it

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is and then they got to watch
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dungeon? How do you how do
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going off the rails in my opinion, and another dms will probably have

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well, well, every dam is
going to have their opinion on I'm sure

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someone will differ from mine. I
think these are the most effective as the

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jump scare. I don't like tipping
off the players at all that there could

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be mimis, and I think that
their first encounter with it is what tips

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them off that there could be more, which is why the first one should

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be as simple just one on one
mimicking or you know, a party on

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one mimic encounter and say, okay, hey there's a mimic here. We

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don't know how many there could be. So that's in the case of the

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museum, you know, there's the
there's a book behind glass that has some

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blood around it, and while while
they're investigating what they think is the blood

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from what they just know, there's
disappearances. That's why I know and say,

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oh, there's some there's some blood
around this book. Maybe that maybe

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whoever is doing this left this blood
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their first one. And then there's
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the same campaign as as examples here, there's clues on like where other ones

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could be. For example, in
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tables and chairs, and there's one
chair that after an investigation check, they'll

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realize does not have scuff marks around
it hmm, indicating that it has not

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been pulled out as often as the
other ones. And then they can use

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that if they if they get their
investigation check, then they can use that

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for to give a surprise condition or
something like that. What's their intelligence?

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They are like like can you negotiate
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how to talk to them? Really? They like animal level intelligence. Yeah,

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they have intelligence of five, so
it's a minus three intelligence and they

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do not speak any languages. Yeah, that's like that that's like somewhere around

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like like where a dog would be
or something. Yeah, so these are

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these are very like feral instincts driven
types of monsters. Hiding is part of

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their instinct and there and their attack
plan is kind of the same. Across

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the board, We're going to go
over to Other Monsters noo dot com.

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This is Keith a Man's blog and
it's also going to be in I want

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to say, even both of his
Monsters books have entries on mimics. I

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think he's got a lot to say
about them. So I always recommend these

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books anyway, and they will be
part of the future of their party book

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club. They almost seem like Venus
fly traps in that way kind of.

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So the fourth part, the fourth
part attack plan will say, is we

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take the again. So according to
Keith them On, the four part playbook

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for a mimic battle goes in this
order. One the mimic chooses the disguise

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using shape shifter and lies in wait
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Two the mimic attacks using an action
with surprise, using its pseudopod to grapple

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its target, which has disadvantage on
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Three against a grappled victim, the
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on which it has advantaged due to
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than a pseudopod attack. And four
this is my own extrapolation. But once

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this victim is reduced as your HP, the mimic swallows it and proceeds to

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digest it, continuing to do one
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turn until he or she is dead. And that is how a mimic fight

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should go, at least for the
mimic. Yeah, how do you feel

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about Do you feel like they should
fight, you know, all the way

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to the death every time, or
is it reasonable to have them, you

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know, come in, take a
couple of chunks out of you to chew

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on, and then flee so that
then you've got to worry about. Okay,

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gonna come across this same mimic again. Fleeing is interesting from a mimics because

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depending on your interpretation of how they
work. Now, based on the official

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stat block, you have a speed
of fifteen feet, which is very very

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slow, and anything can out run
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I've found on other blogs, stuff
like CBR dot com and other sites like

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that, saying that in object form
that they lose their movement and that their

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way of moving is to use the
pseudopod to drag themselves. Sure, and

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it's in some like and you know
that that could be part of your lore.

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Joe's kind of shaking his head,
doesn't really like that very much.

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But like for for something that is
lying in weight and lose its feet,

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Yeah, it's not gonna hop it
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It slithers, it can amorphosize its
some feet. I don't know.

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Well, I'm saying though, it
gets around the same way flatinous cube,

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the same way black pudding made.
It's showing to just kind of like slither

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and that's why it's a fifteen foot
speed. Someoneking at CBR dot com and

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in its article here it's saying that
in the early days, it was said

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that the pseudopods mimics used to last
sh out and beat their prey, were

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also how they traveled. They would
flop out their pseudopod excrete, a sticky

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glue like substance to attach themselves and
pull their bodies forward. This may seem

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like an inconvenient way to move around, but mimics are constantly on the prow

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and start to prey, and they
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mean that's kind of basically how like
snails and slugs move in real life,

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kind of is they you know,
like they sort of roll forward a little

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bit of that sticky stuff you know, hits there, they and they kind

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of roll forward like that. So
yeah, and maybe this is a generous

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read, but the fifteen feet of
movement that they have, maybe that's how

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we're flavoring it. Yeah, yeah, because I always just kind of see

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it as a as a hopping around
treasure chest. But it could be then

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to the pseudopod dragging itself is might
be more accurate. Yeah right, I'm

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just saying that I think that even
in their form, whatever form of them

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might be, they can should still
be able to And to answer your question

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from from earlier about like, you
know, how do we make this a

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harder fight, It's it's kind of
in there, and that's the adhesive property.

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You know, anything that that breaks
it in melee gets stuck to it.

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So, if you're a fighter with
two attacks, your first attack is

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to strike it. Your second attack
has to be too is an action actually

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too mudge your sword? Yeah yeah, so no, if you have if

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you're a two weapon fighter, I'll
let you hate it twice. But if

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you're a single weapon fighter, that's
that's going to be it. Your next

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turns action has to be to dislodge, and then your next turns action history.

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So if you're a fifth level fighter
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okay, single weapon, So instead
of getting two attacks in a turn,

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now you're getting one attack every three
turns or one one attack every other

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turn, which is more powerful than
a slow spell. And you know,

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any any ranged weapons that are going
to hit it, like your your rangers,

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arrows or cross bolts are not going
to be retrievable after us. Now

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I've got to keep tracking the inventory. Your monk that is not getting fluria

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blows out of that, you know, and not if their hands are sticking.

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Monks are going to find out real
fast how adhesive works. So this

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is how you have one c R
two monster be able to stave itself off

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against a party. It's that is
an interesting kind of counter to the action

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economy problems that you have with trying
to do by taking away that. Usually

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we fix that by adding in more
actions on the enemy side, But what

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if we take away actions on the
player side. Yeah, yeah, you're

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going to frustrate the players if you
do it good more than I don't want

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people to get so frustrated they say
screw that and leave my table. Well,

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no, you don't do it to
that you don't do it to that

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level. But like the the whole
point of using the adhesive and the pseudo

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pod and everything is that they feel
restrained. Yeah, well, and and

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then and then you know, and
then the smart thing to do is to

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take a step back. And you
know, even though your best attack is

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that broadsword, you want to throw
hatchets at this thing instead. Of course,

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that's how you're gonna And I say, your spell your spell casters,

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you know, come to the forefront
there. Yeah, you're your your firebolts

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arena are going to be doing it. But the reason I say good so

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enthusiastically is because now they have to
like, they can't just be in sword

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swing mode. They can't. You
can't just you can't just spam the sort

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swing button. You got to do
something about this thing, right, You

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almost have to strategize a little bit
and really kind of think about what's happening

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instead of right, Because I feel
like, to your point, sometimes parties

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just go, okay, just kill
it, yep, just just slash slash

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attack attack. You know. Me, you're looking around the room and say,

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oh, there's a there's a fire
portion over there. We would just

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throw this thing at it and just
just immolate it. And then that's mimic

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too. Now we got to that's
also the thing more like in your museum

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set up, maybe they come across, you know, some kind of an

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alchemy set up where you know,
the sorcerer and the wizard can put their

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heads together and come up with something
that will you know, let you get

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a swinger, you coach your sword
in it, your kind of version of

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like oil of Slipperiness or something like
that. You can get a couple of

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swings before it sticks or something.
That's the kind of thing where like if

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the party, let's say it's a
low level party and they're struggling, Yeah,

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I will absolutely let them find something
like that in a display in the

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museum. Yeah, you really kind
of like make us, make us feel

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natural. But the first one is
going to be a minu, you bet,

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the first the first potion they find
is going to be maybe the second

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one here, I don't know,
let's see like that. It's like those

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videos of the guys give it out
ice cream, like they always Oh,

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that's such a good metaphor for this. So in both of you guys,

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how do you feel about players who
are grappled having or loose using the ability

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to do somatic spell components. I
mean, I don't grapple the players at

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all. They get upset about that. But grappled characters should I see.

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I say, let them get upset. They're they're in a dungeon. Okay,

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they're not in a rainbow farm.
They like things are going to frustrate

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them. It's okay. So I
think that that is one of those things

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that you've got to make sure you've
had a conversation about before, about how

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you're going to rule stuff like that. It's not a thing that you want

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to like, you know, how
you're going to handle somatic components and how

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much of a stickler you're going to
be on all that spell casting stuff is

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stuff that needs to be established before
they run into a mimic for the first

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time and suddenly realize, oh my
god, if I get grappled, I

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can't cast spells. What that?
What the hell? I didn't realize that

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was a thing. You know,
especially you're playing with new players, especially

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if you're you know, if these
are rules that don't come up all that

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often in your game, you got
to make sure that they know what's going

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on with that. And then you
know, just as as long as you're

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consistent about it and you've established that
that that's how that works, and that

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you don't mind that from that moment
forward, whoever your fighter is is going

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to start taking every feat and special
ability that allows them to grapple an enemy

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spellcaster that they possibly can. Course, you know, but I would,

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and I was gonna give my own
my own disclaimer here that rules rules as

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does not shut off. It's somatic, right, So it's just movement rules

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is written says it drops to zero, you'd have to be incapacitated or to

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not be able to take an action
or a reaction. So that's where I'm

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like, yeah, you can still
cast spells. It doesn't stop spells.

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But this is something that we were
talking about. We were talking about the

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idea of a beefed up mimic that's
like a c R six, you know,

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that could be an improved suit of
pod. Yeah, maybe that does

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that that incapacitates. Yeah, but
then you have to So that's where you

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start looking at the homebrewing monster,
and you got to kind of look at

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again like action economy and stuff of
course, like does it make sense or

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maybe it's a legendary action or something
that it can do something where they have

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to the player has to roll at
a disadvantage, or the mimic rolls for

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something that it incapacitates the target.
Yeah, and I wish I had thought

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of it before right now to see
if there's any out there that already exists,

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or there may be another monster that
you can just borrow from that that

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you know, is you know,
a little bit higher cr that incapacitates on

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something. Yeah, you just take
just kind of borrow that if it If

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you're listening, know uh know of
any of these types of monsters, let

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us know, Hello, Adventure of
podcast at gmail dot com, or tell

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me what page of the Tuma Beasts
it's on. I'll just you know what

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I mean, I joke about this
because one of my favorite monsters. But

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I'm looking at the ot Jug and
the neo ot Jug, which are those

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like trash monsters that have the like
like like the big sticky tentacles and and

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maybe you know, grafting one of
those onto a higher level mimic doing some

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of the stuff they do, because
that's what they do. They grab stuff

457
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and you know, drop it into
that big mouth. Yeah, yeah,

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looking at this stuff right right now, c R five this yeah, this

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is this is a good like evolved
mimic. Yeah. So that's my general

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thing about mimics. I just they're
just so the threat of them is just

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so interesting to me. And you
know, and people outside of the hobby

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recognize them. Yeah, And there's
only a few monsters that that that non

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non gamers, non table talk Beholders, dragons of course. Yeah, I

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would give I would give a I
would give a small nods of mind flavors.

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A lot of people can recognize those, well, especially now yeah,

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well yeah they don't recognize right,
Yeah. I think I like the iconic

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the indie monsters, like you're going
you're going dragons, obviously, you're going

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Beholders. It's gonna be the big, big, big one, your low

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level stuff at your goblins. But
that's just general fantasy, and it's or

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yeah, and then the mimics,
and then and and rust monsters, which

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are the other, you know,
player frustrating critters that you can run into.

472
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I think that is bad player of
frustration. And we'll do as we

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do, We'll do a rust Monster
Black Oose like putting episode and talk about

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if you can convince me that they're
a good thing for the game we'll do

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next month. Fantastic. Now we
got some we got some homework to do,

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which is good because I didn't know
what we're going to do next month.

477
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We didn't plan that far. Excellent, That's what I got. Any

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you guys, any cool and its
about mimics? You got any any other

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things that we want to say about
them. I mean, they are one

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of the creatures that made the cut
for the D and D movie. Yeah,

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just one of one of them looks
like it's it's right there. I

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mean I think not even just the
movie, not just the movie, but

483
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the trailer. I think, right, when do they run into a mimic

484
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in the movie when they're the other
the other party goes around and sees a

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chest and they're like, sweet a
chest in one of those it up and

486
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it just right down. Yeah,
and it makes a very satisfying Yes,

487
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yep, this is right before they
do the the gelatinous cube thing. Yeah,

488
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I like the gelatinus which you know, maybe I'll throw a gelatinous cube

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in the Iconic Monster's pile. I
think that's in there. But cool,

490
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So tell me about your most satisfying
mimic jump scare. We're what you think

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is an iconic monster that maybe we
didn't mention. Yeah, yeah, and

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the other monsters you want us to
do do episodes on because these are I'm

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having I'm having a blast with these, and there's plenty Llennium monsters we'll talk

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about. I think I think it's
going to be it. So go forth

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and surprise your players with mimics and
don't tell them what's going to happen,

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and maybe get a picture of their
reaction when you tell them, and maybe

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maybe before you send us anything,
or go to Hello Adventures podcast. Now

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we know to poke it with a
fourth if they send them to make sure

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it's just double check out the keyboard
is the key Yes, if they tend

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to postful thing at five years that
they didn't they they knit that it is.

501
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It is if you want it to
be, brother, I suppose.

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So that's going to wrap it up
for today. Thank you so much for

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listening to Hello Adventurers. We are
your dungeon Masters. Jason Portiso, Jim

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Crocker and Joe McCall producer and interviewer, or we might we might be producer,

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editor, an engineer Jason Portiso and
music by Nick Spurrier, art right

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