Monster Deep Dive: Hags

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Hello Adventures, Welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason Portiso him Jim Crocker.

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No, I'm Joe McCall, and
we talk about dm D topics. Near

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and DearS are role players. Hearts
today's episode. We're gonna get to our

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first deep dive. This is something
we've experimented with on past shows and stuff

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that I love hearing about because even
if it's something that I'm already like familiar

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with, there's some like corner case
stuff that I just never knew about it.

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So this is this episode is not
just for new DMS, just for

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season dms as well. So wherever
you lie on that spectrum, buckle up,

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this one's for you. Joe.
This is today's gonna be today's your

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day. Man, what are we
deep dive into? Say, We're going

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to be talking about hacks nice,
the lore behind them, how you can

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use them in your campaign. And
so I've played against Hags here and there

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in like some short games, and
we encountered one of the big game that

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you're running for us. We kind
of skirted that encounter, so we haven't

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really done much with her, but
I've heard some awesome stories from some of

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the deals that they can make so
curious where we're going with this one?

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Do you have your lat chim?
I have used them. I find it

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they're more interesting to be kind of
like, I like using them as kind

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of higher level motivators. I find
their most And we'll probably get into this

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when we start talking about that.
I think they're most interesting to use as

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kind of chaos agents. Not necessarily
the monsters that the players are directly engaged

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with, but like you know,
like I always try to present them in

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such a way that like the players
like, off, we can just cut

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the right deal with her, we
can get out of it, like we

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can get what we want. We'll
get what we want, she gets what

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she wants, and everybody wins,
right, And then like that's kind of

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exactly. That's really that's my favorite
way to use them. Jo tell us

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how that's never going to happen.
Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

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Yeah, Yeah, And I think
that's really what a hag is betting on.

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Yeah. So there are Fay powerful
Fay creatures, although they really aren't

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welcome in either of the Sely or
Uncily court just because they are old crones

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with you know, their frail and
disgusting green skin at least, you know.

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To start, we'll talk about green
hags, which is probably the most

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prevalent or the most common type of
hag. Yeah, when people imagine liked

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players, imagine the classic D and
D hag. That's that's what you're talking

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about. Yeah, she's going to
be found in the woods or a swamp

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in our game kind of every time
that Yeah, yeah, really, but

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presented her as a woodswitch sort of
character. So super powerful fake creatures.

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They live forever. They can be
killed obviously, but they don't die of

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old age, so that really allows
them to play the long game as far

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as revenge, amassing power, things
like that. We talked about deals.

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A hag does make deals that usually
only favor them, and I favor them.

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I mean that they're really just interested
in being a chaos agent and bringing

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just sadness and to sadness to mortals
mainly humans. They don't like deal as

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much with other powerful creatures, fake
creatures, things like that, because again

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of that timeline, they know they
hold the power over humans, so they

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represent corruption and pretty much ugliness.
They see ugliness as beauty to the point

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that they will actually pick at their
scabs and things to make themselves worse looking.

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Today I learned I was a hag
from ages twelve to seventeen. So

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they do make deals with mortals.
Again, they're different than devils, who

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are going to make deals basically for
your soul. They want to one just

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continue to amass power or get powerful
artifacts that they collect, but it's never

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going to work out for the person
that makes a deal with a hag.

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What kind of examples kind a player
expects my hag. So a hag is

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going to set themselves up close enough
to a settlement or a town that people

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will seek them out, but not
so close that they're very easily attacked or

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overrun, if you know, the
townspeople revolt or decide that they are a

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real problem. When inevitably that deal
does not work out right right, So

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they want to be in a position
of powers that people come and seek them

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out because they have a sick child, they are in love with somebody that

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maybe doesn't love them, or for
people in need but like in desperate need

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of some kind of solution. They
pretty much count on that and and count

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on people thinking that they're going to
be able to outsmart them. Yeah,

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or even just not even necessarily outsmart
them, but that they'll deal honestly with

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them. Yeah, in a way
that like you would never expect a devil

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to to do, right, you
know, going into that deal, that

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that's a bad deal. Yeah.
And from a character perspective or from a

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story perspective, like it's it's about
the desperation, right, people are so

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desperate that Yeah, when somebody's real
desperate like that, they kind of start

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answering their own questions, right,
Like, yeah, they're going to deal

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honest with honestly with me. I
think like in popular culture recently, I

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read Stephen King's Dark Tower and Raya
of the cou O's or Po's kind of

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a great representation of a hag.
A Maba Yaga would be another representation of

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a hag. Yeah. If you've
read those hell Boy comics, the bpr

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D comics to Baby Yaga that they
represent in that is very very good.

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Yeah, a lot of that going
on. Yeah, And in actual culture,

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if you want something that is praying
on the most desperate people making a

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deal with them that they can never
actually cash in on and never works in

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their favorite these are payday loans.
Yeah, the payday loans people or hags

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now that that works. Is a
hag a witch? What what we would

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consider in like English culture or like
colonial culture as a witch? Would that

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be the the closest equivalent to a
hag somewhat, I guess, which is

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what really? So the witch that
I heard as that was a really good

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in the very beginning of the movie
The Witch. If you see that great

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movie, I love calling it the
vich same, yeah, man, Like

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I always think of hags as like, you know, know, like like

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you say, because they're fay creatures, like they crossed the fairy king or

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you know, they they you know, they they sought power somewhere they shouldn't

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have. And that ugliness is also
a reflection of the fact that they're exiled

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from that society. They're never going
to get back into it, you know,

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and like messing with the humans is
is the only form of social power

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that they're ever going to have because
they've been cast out like that. That's

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that's the thing I like about that, that they're that they're explicitly solitary for

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the most part. Humans are the
last thing that they can interact with exactly,

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yes, yeah, yeah, And
that is I mean that is kind

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of the long and short of it
is they avoid other powerful creatures and fay

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creatures, Yeah, because they know
it's going to be much harder to get

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an angle where they kind of hold
the upper hand. Yeah, And you

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know it can seem even innocuous.
It's one of the things in Volos they

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talk about is like you might not
realize that you're being manipulated by a hag.

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It could. It could be really
something simple like drop this package off

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to this person at this time,
at this place, and you don't realize,

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And it could be years before the
payoff happens for the hag because again

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with their long life spans, like
they they can wait around forever, they

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don't. It's a couple dozen years
when you're right right and the payoff comes

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and you don't realize that when you
dropped that thing off to that person at

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that place in time, like you
signed your own death warrant. Maybe,

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So, can can you give an
example of how a plotline like that would

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play out, like like what kind
of things were dropping a package of set

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up? Sure? It could,
it could set up an enemy that the

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hag sees. How those ripples would
play out over years because they've had years

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to kind of say, okay,
this is going to start almost a domino

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effect to where you know, it
sets up an enemy that is going to

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be so enraged later on because you
you know, own you become their landlord

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or something, and and now they
can't afford it and they see you as

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you know, the issue of their
downfall. Something like that. It could

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be that the examples they use were
you have an ailing father who has you

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know, he can't remember things right, and so the hag is going to

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give you a potion to give them
it's going to regain his memory. But

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when that happens, he also becomes
very violent, goes into fits of rage.

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It's going to be things like or
you know, like like I like

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the quintessential hag bargain Like that would
be you go to the hag and say

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I want to restore my father's memories, and she says, well, you

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do all this stuff for me,
and then I'll give you a potion to

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will restore your father's memories. And
you do that. You do the fetch

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quest, you do the thing,
you go, you know, whatever,

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you you you kill the thing that
is like you know, the harassing her

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in the swamp and then you come
back and she says, here, give

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this potion to your father, and
then you bring back your father and he

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drinks it and he has only and
like he gets back only the memories of

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all the times you defied him or
something like that, like and that's how

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those hag bargains go. Yeah,
so like she follows the letter of it,

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but there's that like ironic twist to
it that you knew was coming but

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you know, but you did it
anyway. So it's a monkey pall with

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extra steps. Yeah, something like
that. Yes, yes, yeah,

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you do all those things for her, so that you were I love a

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good monkey paw. Your unrequited love
loves you, but it just turns you

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into the object of their affection.
They love to themselves, so you turn

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into a mirror. You know something
like that, right, could I mean

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it can you can get really fun
with it, and it could be that

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it's a big bad evil BBG,
or they can be like in our campaign,

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it's just kind of somebody you ran
into, more of that agent of

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chaos that might lead to a bigger
plot point. I can't talk about that.

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Jason plays and the cool things about
that. I was two seconds away

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from giving her exactly what she wanted, and the rest of the party wanted

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to walk away. One of the
cool things about that long term thinking is

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that you can retroactively blame things on
the Hag as the DM if you're like,

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oh, this would be cool to
have, but I'm not sure how

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we can fit that into Oh,
it's part of that Hag curse from four

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levels ago. And as long as
you're playing, you know, at least

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reasonably fair with it and not just
you know, kind of coming out of

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the blue and you know whatever tpkying
somebody or something like you're And as long

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as you're not just coming out of
the blue and doing anything like that is

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too unfair. That's that's a way
to to take take something that you're not

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quite sure how to work into the
game and make it part of that long

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your listening. Now back to the
show. The other ways that you can

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encounter hags is in covents, so
there's a grouping of hags and that makes

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them even more powerful. And now
you have a layer if that's usually where

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you're going to encounter a hag anyway, but you have layer actions that happen.

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And for new dms that don't know
what layer actions are, can just

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give us a quick rundown of that. Sure. So layer actions are exactly

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that. If you encounter a monster
in its layer, those monsters have a

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in their arsenal have environmental effects that
help them. Usually they're always help them.

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It's usually always they usually always help
them that help them. So it

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could be the hag can pass through
solid walls, doors, ceilings, and

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floors as if the surfaces weren't there
until initiative count twenty on the next round,

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so they can use those layer actions
on that. Usually usually it happens

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on initiative count twenty I think sometimes
they'll happen on initiative count one. Okay,

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I haven't seen much other than twenty, but but mechanically, it's basically

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an action that gets done automatically,
that is done by the environment, not

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by any particular character. So yeah, to way to deal with one of

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the problems that we run into with
fifth Edition, and we'll talk about this

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a lot as we're playing, is
if you have a group of characters against

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a solo creature like a hag,
and it's a no kidding, knockdown,

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drag out fight, the characters get
so many more actions than the hag does

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that that can really unbalance it and
make it tough for the Hag to hold

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its own. And those layer actions
are a great way to kind of balance

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that out without having the Hag taking
five attacks or whatever. So it's a

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really club or a thing that they
came up with that help balance out that

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action of company. You combine later
actions with legendary actions literary resistances, and

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now you have a one versus many
fight that is fair. Yeah, that

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actually works. Yeah, so covens
this is a grouping usually of three hags,

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so hags don't really get along with
each other. If they have a

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common goal, they might and then
they become even more powerful. So that's

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just another way that you can encounter
Hags is in that powerful Usually that's also

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going to have regional effects, so
usually up to a mile you'll see decay.

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They can have a Hag's eye that
is an eye in a tree somewhere

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that they can see people coming.
They can sense somebody coming and get ready,

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get prepared. A lot of the
time, they have a good amount

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of spells in their arsenal that'll allow
them to hide their true self. That's

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a nod back towards that faye nature
that they have where they can and you

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know, appear to you in maybe
the guys that they had when they were

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young, or take on the role
of you know, like you said,

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if you have that that lost love
or something like that, that's a good

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way for them to put one over
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which is lower. Oh yeah,
yeah, that's that's that's that's all the

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fairy tale stuff kind of that they
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I love with Hag covens is that
is a place where smart players, if

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you really engage them, they can
maybe figure out ways to appeal to those

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rivalries or egos that the Hag coven
has, maybe find out ways to kind

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of play them against each other or
you know, which is an incredibly dangerous

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game to get into, but it's
a you know, it's another way to

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make them interesting in a way that
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the campaign beyond just having them be
you know, a monster of the week.

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So again powerful spells in their arsenal
and visibility at will, but also

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illusory appearance so to hide their true
self. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

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this is the the head that we
encountered, right, Kantos has a

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beautiful young girl and with a quick
perception check saw the match coming off or

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it's like, I don't think that's
true. And this is also heggs are

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a good creature at a reasonable level
to introduce the idea that it's okay to

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have a fight that ends in conclusively
where the monster gets away, and that

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doesn't mean you failed. It means
oh, okay, now they're on our

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radar, we're on her radar.
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becomes a rivalry that can last be
ond. Like I said, just just

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a single fight. That's another thing
they're great for. Yeah, And I

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think it's not only that a fight
ends in an inconclusive way, but that

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like, here's a powerful being that
like maybe you don't want, maybe they're

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not Everything is a fight exactly.
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We had a player that kind of
wanted to fight, but everybody else

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was kind of like, well,
oh yeah, she seems kind of powerful

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badly. Yeah, and so there
was kind of a little bit of back

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and forth between one of the characters
in that hack. And if you've got

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the right table where that's not just
going to cause friction, then yeah,

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that's another thing there. It gives
you a fun role playing opportunity. Yeah.

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is going to depend a lot on
the level that you're playing at. Did

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you have a rough fla like a
challenge rating for most hags or do they

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differ by what type they are?
I think it does differ by type.

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I don't have all of them in
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a three challenge reading three, yeah, but a COVID obviously it's going to

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have a higher challenge rating, and
then you can get into all the different

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types of hags. Yeah, and
it's hags that are going to live in

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mountains and hills. It's easy for
them to navigate these areas, even though

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for most people it wouldn't be you
have war hags. I think this house

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is pronounced the h e u r
pronounced. They are going to live in

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wintry frozen landscapes. Green hags are
going to be mainly in forests, swamps,

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things areas like that sea hags in
the sea. Night hags they left

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behind the world of Fae to roam
the lower planes. The nighthags, I

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think actually have an abysal nature.
Yeah. They're kind of the more like

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devil or demon flavored one, is
that yeah, yeah for sure, like

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haunt your dress. Yeah yeah.
So varying challenge ratings, you can have

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these as the big bad for low
level players up to just a minor inconvenience

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on the way to a bigger bad. Yeah. Yeah, And I just

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kind of pep bring them in just
to cause a little chaos if things are

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going too well. That can be
a lot of fun. One of the

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things that can be cool for is
because of that nature where you know,

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they'll try to fool people. Certainly, you could have a game that starts

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with the PC's being advised by the
kindly old village, you know, elder

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woman who lives at the top of
the hill, and gradually as you go

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through the first three levels, you
start to find out, oh, wait

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a minute, you know this is
she's not what she seems and stuff like,

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and again, this is like,
as long as you're you're playing fair

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and it's not going to be a
situation where the players feel like, you

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know, you're bullshitting them the whole
time, or like you were unfair about

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it. But that can be kind
of a cool thing to do, you

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know, where it turns out,
and then you know, they get to

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third level to where they can actually
confront her, and then they they take

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her down. It turns out she's
part of a covenant. Her sisters are

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unhappy, not because they're particularly upset
that she's dead, but her death disrupted

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the plans that they had and now, you know, maybe they don't want

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to kill the player characters, but
they're like, well, you killed our

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sister, so now you are going
to do the job that she was going

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to do for us. So you're
under this obligation, and there's a whole

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know, like plans within plans that
you can Yeah, there's a lot of

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ways. I actually really love that. And that's something that I've I've thought

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often about is like you think you're
helping, yeah, but you're not.

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I think that's a great hug.
Yeah, very campaign. Also, the

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classic of the quest giver is the
Big Bed one of my friend tropes.

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Right, it's a good trope,
like as long as as long as you're

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not fundamentally going against anybody's kind of
character conception, like as long as you're

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not having like you know, paladins
killing us and people or stuff like this.

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You know, but like the paladin
did legitimately go help out that temple,

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but it's because you know, that
temple somehow figures into the Hag's long

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term plans and so you know,
even by doing good, you've you know,

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helped advance this other creature's goals and
stuff. I think that that's a

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really cool thing to do if you
can pull it off. So let's say

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the players get to a point where
they now have to fight this thing.

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Joe, did you do any research
into their tactics? What we can expect

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them to fight against the Hagh.
So again, so using Keith Amon as

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the monsters know, we talk about
that website, probably a ton a ton

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of information there. He in fact
revisits it at least one or two other

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times. Yeah, I'm sorry,
two other times. I think I think

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Hags is in both monsters know what
they're doing, hardcover book and more monsters

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know what they're doing. I think
that think haggs for them both. Yeah,

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so there's a ton, but mainly
is the thing I think with Hag

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tactics is that they always want to
have the upper hand, and when they

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don't, they will leave, They
will flee. So they're going to use

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everything at their disposal to try to
kill a party, and they're going to

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attack the people that are the biggest
threats to them first, and then if

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they are reduced or they know it's
a fight they can't win, they are

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going to get out of dodge.
They are going to use invisible passage to

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make themselves invisible, they super annoying, and any other and any other powerful

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artifacts they may have that they may
have, they're going to use to leave

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the area so that they can't be
harmed and that's another way to kind of

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like, like if if you need
something that's a little better than a challenge

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rating three, you know, in
addition to whatever, juicing their hit points

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or giving them a couple of extra
spells, giving them magic items that they

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actually use as opposed to just have
you know, whatever in a chest or

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sitting in a pile of treasure or
something like that is a way to you

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know, to kind of buff them
up a little bit, you know,

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and then the players know, off, we if we take her out,

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we're going to have this thing that
she's been using against us just particularly satisfying

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and get your hands on a magic
item that was being used against oh yeah.

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Absolutely, also also showing the players
how it works and how devastating it

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has been for them for the past
twenty minutes. Yeah, and or even

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it could be something that you know, it's too powerful the first time they

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yep, and that's the thing that
says like, oh, we need we

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need to run. We've got to
come up with a countermeasure against it.

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And that's just something to keep in
mind the next time. Yeah, the

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challenge is not killing her like anybody
can stick a sword through her. The

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challenge is keeping her from running away. You know, that's the tactical puzzle

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that you got to solve there yet, So what was what kind of tactics

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can players use? Let's start with
at least stoping her from running away,

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and then we'll focus on actually killing, which I guess killing is not the

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hard part. No, I don't. I don't think it is. Well,

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Arma class is seventeen. It's not
too bad. Eighty two head points,

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not too bad, not crazy.
This for greenhags yere three green.

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hags because that's like your classic has that's

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me the most common way to run
out. This would be a much longer

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episode if we went into everything,
of course, and we're kind of geting

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towards newer dms and players, so
like you're going to see a green haag

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before you see anything else. I
would say green and greenhigs and seah haggs

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are the ones that I hear about
more than anything else. Yeah, seahags

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are a lot of fun. That's
ursulus. Yes, yeah, I mean

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if you're going up against hags,
like, I'm not so worried about my

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armor cl or the amount of damage
I'm dealing. I want to boost my

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saves in every way that I possibly
can get my wisdom saves up. And

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you know, whatever kind of resistance
to illusion or true sight I can bring

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to bear. There's not like at
third level, there's not a ton of

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that kind of stuff. Sure,
but if you know you're going into that,

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anything that gives you an edge against
those illusions, or you know,

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her ability to move freely around through
her layer and stuff like that, Yeah,

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that's important thing. The layer actions
are available if it's a single Green

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Hag. I mean physically it's a
plus sixth a hit damage is like thirteen

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points on average of slashing damage.
She can cast dancing lights, minor illusion,

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and vicious mockery at will. So
I guess if you're it's a single

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Green Hag, it's it's really probably
the claw tact that you're worried about.

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I feel like, if you get
into a situation where somebody's to to toe

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with her and she's doing claw taxs, you've probably won that fight. Yeah,

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she does never like like she's going
to angle to never be in that

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situation where she has to roll that
claw attack against any play. So yeah,

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in a coven, though, they
do have additional spells at their dispose.

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I Bite is a sustained spell requiring
concentration that can impose a debilitating condition

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such as unconscious, frightened, or
sickened on a succession of targets who fail

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their wisdom saving throws, they can
scry, which makes sense again because you're

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not always going to be close,
so they can find out how their plans

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went. They get a lot of
joy out standing around that cauldron looking into

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it, seeing what you're doing.
Yeah, as you make your plans,

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polymorph so she can turn you into
a new bestow curse a sustained spell so

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she can bestow curse still, Yeah, she's allowed to bestow curses upon you.

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Counter spell is available to hags that
are part of a coven, just

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a flex that they are better at
magic than you. Yeah, lightning bolt,

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old person, locate object and identify
Again, it makes sense by ray

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of sickness is a nice range spell, So coven hag is going to be

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much more powerful than your course single
green. So let's say, for example,

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we want to write a campaign.
It is a underwater campaign. You

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role playing Tritons, the Murpho people, and one of the characters that is

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in love with somebody who doesn't love
them back, and the Sea Hag makes

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a deal to take her voice so
that she can then go romance to the

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Prince, and then she uses that
voice to then romance the Prince first.

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I think this is a beautiful original
story that Disney definitely hasn't done yet.

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That's incredible. You just came up
with that, right now. I did.

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I did, but I did it
by completely ripping off the Little Mermaid,

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which Hans Christiander is saying basically created
the first Sea Hagg. But yeah,

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and that really just kind of shows
that this is not like a new

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thing in pop culture. This is
something that is there's source ma cereal out

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there that can completely steal from Go
steal a Little Mermaid, Go steal,

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Go steal hocus Pocus. You want
to make me a Sanderson's sister hat covering

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campaign, call me. I will
play. Hello Adventures podcast at gmail dot

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com. Invite me to your game, I will play. I think that

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that's a good cursory overview for a
type of monster that is excellent for low

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to mid level players as a big
bad and even still good for mid and

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high level players as like a medium
bat and also great for kind of introducing

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the concept, like I said,
of sometimes it's not you kick in the

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door. There's a fight with that
monster. You win the fight, you

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never see that monster again. But
that can be you know, that can

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kind of be an ongoing menace or
that somebody you know that Like I said,

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those fights are inconclusive and frustrating.
The first single thread that open,

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you know, yeah, that when
you pull it it opens up other things

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that may happen. Yeah, and
you want to have a lot of fun.

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Take the deal. Make your DM
squirm, make them come home,

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make your d I was really hoping
that we have a player that almost made

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it. I know it wasn't.
It wasn't my deal to make, or

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I probably would have. I could
have made that. But make you make

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your DM listen, listen to but
listen. You should have seen the look

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in Joe's eyes and he was like, like that would have been great.

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Make your DM happy. Take the
deal, like this is the time when

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we get to the dms get to
be creative. Isn't punishing you for doing

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good things? Yeah? You got
to make it appealing enough that they convinced

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themselves that they can come out on
top. Yeah. I think what I

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told him he had to do,
though, was bring me a child,

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Like bring a child to the tag. As soon as you offer that,

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we can bring in the guy that
just betrayed us. You can bring me

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Julian's head. I'm like, I
get it. I'll go get it right

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now, Like just wait here,
Like you don't think give me anything.

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I was going to I was going
to kill them myself. Yeah. Those

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are the best hag bargains though,
when when like she gets paid for doing

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something you were gonna do anyway,
that's fantastic. That's like, you know

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whatever, that's really problem, that's
free magic or whatever. You know,

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as soon as you made there whatever
it is that she wants free power,

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I always did it for him.
Yeah, but that's that's that's our campaign.

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That's awesome, man. So any
parting words on hacks, take the

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deal. Take the deal. But
there are a lot of There are a

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lot of fun to role playing.
You can use them in so many different

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ways that I think that they belong
in some way in every campaign. Like

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I said, it could be a
woodswitch. I really love that. Jim

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said, it's an agent of chaos. Yeah, they're great fun and you

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get to do crazy voices and let
you get to use your vocal fry and

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stuff like that when they're talking to
the players. That's a lot of fun

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with your illusory Magically, you get
to have multiple voices for them too.

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You get to have your sultry,
sexy image voice. And then as soon

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as the illusion drops you you can
get really cartoony with it. Oh yeah,

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great, I love cartoony voice.
That's fun. But yeah, just

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if things are going a little too
for your players, give me a deal.

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Take the deal. Okay, it's
just a character. You'll be okay,

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you can still try the all master
maybe crying over your lost character,

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but me, no, take the
deal. That's all we got today.

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Yeah, right, with your hag
deals, tell us what the best tag

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deal that you put? What deal
with the haggart you're mulling over right now

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or regretting you're the most creative one
you can come up with. I'd love

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to hear that. Yeah, once
you haven't even tried to. Once you're

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cooking up, I mean waiting for
your players to take Hello Adventures podcast at

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gmail dot com or send us the
voicemail podcast dot com slash voice if you

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use the hag Voice. We might
even put it on the air. Oh

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yeah, that's yeah, we mean
Mike, Okay, I'm putting on We're

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using it. Hello Adventures Podcast at
gmail dot com, Helloa Adventures podcast dot

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com, slash voice write or tell
us yourself about your favorite hag deal and

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I think that's going to wrap it
up today. So this has been Hello

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Adventurers. We are your host,
Jason Portiso, Joe McCall and Jim Crocker,

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producer, engineer and editor Gsportisa.
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by Kristen Broderick. I think that's
all we've got to say, so,

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with nothing else to say, good
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