Jason Just Learned About Painting Miniatures

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Adventures, the podcast for role players
and game masters who want to level up

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your game. We are Dungeon Masters
Jason Portiso, I'm Joe McCall and Jim

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Crocker. Everybody is here. It's
awesome. It's just this is just listen.

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Let's let let's just put the show
to the side for a second.

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This is just nice. Yeah.
People are planning things around D and D

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and then showing up on time and
bought me donor I did rewarning. I

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would bring sorry Jim, but he's
hundreds of miles away. Now, mail

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me one, just like stick it
in and envelope. I will, I

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will one of those priority mail flat
rate mailers and just send it on them.

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Yes, not sticking in a regular
envelope. Lick it shut. Yeah,

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see how that goes? All right, so it seems to be melted.

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Yeah, someone bit our mail?
Yeah right, all right, so

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yeah the ants in my mailbox?
Well thank you. That's right, all

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right. So what I wanted to
talk about today was I seem to find

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there's just endless, endless ways to
Depending how you look at it, either

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immerse yourself in this game further,
or you can look at it as making

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things as complicated as possible, and
it's consuming your whole life with this game.

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Are you talking about LARPing? That's
the that would be the next Stele.

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Okay, that's pretty immersive. I
think if I go any more immersive

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is going to be LARPing, and
I want you to punch me if I

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ever do that. I think the
next seven is ren Farris maybe, and

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then it's LARPing. Okay, is
ren fairs LARPing? Renfairs are LARPing.

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I've never been to a ren fairs. Oh you're missing out. Yeah,

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my wife worked at one for a
time. That's awesome. I've been to

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my share of rend fairs and a
right, let's let's let's do let's do

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it. Like, are you talking
about LARPing. I'm not talking about LARPing,

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And no I'm not trying to I'm
not trying to bring this back on

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track at all, but I'm trying
to say this is even further off track.

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One of my favorite stories that my
that my wife tells all the time,

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and I know I use the term
wife and fiance and or to changeably,

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wife is easier to say these listeners
don't know they but I'll but listen

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I don't think I don't need them
thinking it's two different people. Okay,

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we were at a renfair miles miles
from home, at least an hour drive

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from home, and she was literally
just talking about like how everywhere I go,

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I run into somebody I know everywhere
I can't escape it. So we

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go to find the guys that are
doing like the there's a there's a name

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for the type of like sparring where
they're trying to be as like period accurate

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as possible, and it's like they're
actually sparring, they're actually hitting each other.

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So I go over and check those
guys out, and and I hear

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from across the field the guy in
full armor goes Portiso, I mean one

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of the guys fighting, Was it
Gordon? Uh No, it is one

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of the guys from an an old
and old game stores hanging out. So

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listen. So all that to say, I've got my ends if I ever

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want one. Same, but no, we're actually talking about today is so

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we did an episode on using and
collecting miniatures that was at a six levels

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of miniatures of miniature. As that
was a pretty early episode. You go

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check that one out. One of
my proudest episodes. I think that was

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I think that was just great content. So since then, and I think

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I even said in the episode,
I'm totally fine with a blank, gray,

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unprimed miniature sitting on the table.
I think it looks great. I

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think I'm I think I'm on record
recorded saying that phrase. Can we insert

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that audio here? No, because
that's more work for me and I'm not

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going to do that. Just just
imagine it. Okay, go back and

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listen to that real quick. Just
listen to me say just now because I

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just said it. So today's episode
is how I just got into painting.

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Yeah. Yeah, painting is for
dms that don't already have enough prep.

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That's fantastic. Like if what you
want is more prep yea to you know,

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if you find yourself of free time, yeah, a lot of free

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time and unused space in your house, if you just want to fill it

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up with more crap and cash gold
hard well, well we're going to get

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into that because it doesn't have to
be expensive. It does sound very expensive,

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and that was one of the hurdles
that made me take so long,

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but we're we're going to get into
that and how you can do it for

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I'm never going to call it cheap, but you can keep it like reasonable

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and with a on budget you don't
have to spend games workshop kind of money.

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No, there's other stuff out there
we're going to call that would that's

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what gives that part of the hobby
of an expensive reputation. I think,

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yeah, and is GW because that's
what people think of when they're joining mimis.

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But they have Warhammer forty K,
which is already expensive, So what's

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another one hundred bucks on top of
your five thousand dollars army. But the

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the person that got me into painting
is another one of the dms for Dungeons

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and Drafts. So I'm going to
talk to him and see if i can

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get him to come on the show
and talk about his journey in painting,

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because he is light years ahead of
what I've got. So basically, we

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did an episode at this point,
it was only a couple of weeks ago,

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where we interviewed the founder of Dungeons
and draft Thomas Solar. And I've

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been dming for Dungeons and Drafts for
a couple of months now and through the

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Discord group, all the dms are
kind of chumming with each other, and

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it's a very cool group. If
you're a DM, I you should absolutely

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check them out. And if you're
a player, you should check them out

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and go play. But one of
the regular dms was hosting Dungeons and Crafts

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at one of the breweries and I'm
very good friends with and he posted the

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discord and say, hey, we
got some low sign ups on this one

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and off night. Any dms want
to come by, you can come in

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for free. And I'm like,
if it's free, it's for me,

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and I haven't. I had the
night off. I never painted before.

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I never really considered it. Let's
go check it out. And I sat

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in for like a two hour event
and it was a little less instruction me

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than I had pictured in my head
and a little more just they hear some

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paints, everybody go have fun.
And I was like, cool, I

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guess I'll just slap some paint on
this thing. And I painted one of

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the worst miniatures anyone will ever see. And it's not I'm super I'm still

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proud of it. Okay, if
it was two dimensional, I put it

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on the refrigerator. But the important
thing was I was hooked. I had

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such a good time doing this,
and the fact that I was sitting at

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the table with other dms that also
work the same types of events that I

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do, and we got to kind
of commiserate about players that we the types

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of players that we love to see
over and over again, and problem players

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that we've had problems with, and
all kinds of stuff, and it was

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awesome. And I do that fun
thing that everyone else with the ADHD has

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where I go all in on something
immediately. So today's episode is going to

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be about my so far very short
journey to painting and the things that I've

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been learning so far, and I
know that I have infinite left to learn.

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So this is going to be the
kind of episode where I'm going to

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encourage you guys listening to chime in, send us to send us your painting

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stories, send us places that I'm
goofing, send us places that you think

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I should go next, and other
things. In this part, like this

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is like a subtopic, Like you
get to the Greater D and D topic

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and then the miniatures topic, and
then within the miniatre's topic, there's the

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painting. Yeah. So like down
yeah, as you know, Niche is

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down as much as you need to. We'd love to hear your feedback on

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this out so me, especially because
I'm so like new in this part of

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it. So that's Hello Adventurers Podcast
at gmail dot com, or you can

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just send us a voicemail Hello Adventurers
Podcast dot com slash voice, and I

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don't have to hear it. So
enough babbling, I think we should get

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into what I've been finding. Yeah. Cool. So the first section I

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have this set up as section number
one. This is the gotta haves,

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the things that you absolutely must have
in order to be able to do this.

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It is physically impossible without some of
these things. These are the obvious

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ones. But for the sake of
making a list, let's get these out

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of the way. So number one
rushes and paints. Yep, yeah,

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obvious because it is you can't finger
paint. It is very hard to paint

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without brushes. It is very very
hard to paint without paint. Say what

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kind of paint is it? So
these are usually acrylics? Okay, I

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don't And again but when we phrase
it this way, every paint that I

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have and everyone that I've seen at
the store has been acrylic. Okay,

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that is not to say that other
ones don't exist. So it's not any

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kind of super specialized pain. It's
just acrylic pain. No, these are

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really just general acrylics. Now,
what what's going to set apart of paint

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made for miniature painting versus like just
general cooks that you would buy at any

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crafton hobby store is the well,
the surfing size. First of all,

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the mature painting is usually in h
you know, nature bottle, very small

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models with the little squeeze because you
don't need mutt, right the miniatures,

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Yeah, just a couple of ounces. Yeah, a dabbile do yeah,

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as they say, so I find
myself the first time I did it,

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I was like squeezing like a good
amount of paint and then I was absolutely

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wasting my voice paint and and he
just kind of laughed it off because it

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is relative. It can be relatively
cheap to get paint, and it's just

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like, okay, we see every
amateur do this, and I'm like,

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oh no, I'm that guy,
like the kid using the ketchup for the

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first time, exactly for me using
ketchup now. So literally like like two

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drops at a time, it makes
a little bit of water into it to

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fin it out, wow, and
and like it does you know, and

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if you and if it drives up, you just put another drop in.

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Yeah. Whatever. So I've been
using less and less paint and to the

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point where if I have like a
spot that only needs like a tiny little

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bit of one color, I will
just kind of like to put right into

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the bottle. Yeah, whether there's
the dropper of the top, so I

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was kind of speeze to the top
and get a little drop. But yeah,

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they're just general acrylics. They may
be different consistency. They might be

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a little thinner than your average acrylics. I don't know if that's true orfo

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I'm making that up, but usually
want these to be a little on the

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thin side. That's why you'll you'll
you'll thin a mouse in water. You're

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gonna need a good light source.
There's a lot of little like nooks and

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crannies on these little guys, a
lot a lot of places for shadows.

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So you want a good even light
source, soft light source that's from a

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large area, and something that is
daylight white color in the five to six

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thousand kelvin range. For those of
you who know your you know your lights.

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I do know, light is measured
in temperature from something like like two

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thousand in three thousand calvin up to
like eight nine thousand, and the cooler

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the light, which is like more
of a blue tint, and then the

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higher the number of the Fonzi light, yeah, and then the other the

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warmer the light is it has like
just got that, and then a warmer

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light will have like a yellow or
even orange tint to it, where like

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you're just like like look around your
house, your your living spaces, your

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your living rooms, your dining rooms, your bedroom should be a warmer light.

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They're gonna be a little on the
yellow east side, whereas your workspace

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is like your laundry room, your
your garage is gonna be a little bit

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a little bit cooler bluish type of
light. And if you walk into like

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a department store, like like like
a big box, like like a Walmart

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type of place to fluorescence are usually
a little on the blue side. That's

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why you kind of get fatigued looking
at them so long. It has to

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keep you keep you awake, is
what it is. But that's that's weird.

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Warm is usual a little more inviting, but for stuff like this,

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we want it to be a daylight
white, which is like right smack in

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the middle, which is about five
thousand calvin. A lot of the lights

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I've been finding have variable temperature,
so you can compensate for other lights in

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your room. I've got pretty warm
lights in my office, so sometimes I

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can compensate for if there's like light
spillage. But that's that's going too much

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unto light. So you want you
want a good light source that'll wash into

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like the little shadowy areas and give
you a good accurate color response. Of

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course you're gonna need miniatures. Lots
of places and Pott we did a whole

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episode on that. So to get
started, I got these, I guess

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starter kits. We'll get into those
in a second. But the starter kits

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that I that I bought came with
miniatures. And I have plenty of friends

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who will resin print, will use
resin three D printers to make me stuff.

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Of course I compensate them accordingly.
And there's tons of places you can

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get miniatures that are already made.
Go back and find the episode that we

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talked to about them. You're gonna
need a water cup. You probably already

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have them. It doesn't ruin the
cup. You can just use a cup,

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make sure you wash it thoroughly before
you try using it for other purposes

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later. But most people will kind
of have a water cup made and you

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know, like kind of set aside
for designated You use your D and D

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mug. You bought it a conth
like that, and that becomes part of

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like the ritual of it all.
This is supposed to be a relaxing things

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like this is my water cup.
And then do not mix your water cup

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up with your ice coffee cup.
Although for my my artists, my painting

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friends, my my fine art friends, they have told me that drinking your

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paint water accidentally is a write of
passage. At some point I noticed the

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other tase. I had my ice
coffee with my straw in it, right

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next to my water cup with my
my brush in it. And I was

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trying not to put my brush in
my coffee and not to put my straw

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on my paint water. And the
last thing you needed some sort of palette,

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just a place to put paint so
you can thin them out to the

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paper plate, so you could do
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version, then replace paper towel.
You are gonna need paper towels as well

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to dry off your not only to
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absolutely gotta have paint brushes, a
light source, miniatures, a water cup,

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and some sort of pallette. You
get these things and you can get

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except for the light source and the water

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cup are going to come in a
lot of these starter kits. I actually

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got three different starter kits just to
make sure my basis recovered. Yeah,

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one I to befad. Two of
them were like a like a Step one

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that was from that was from Weeper
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on I just took a quick look
on Amazon and those first one that popped

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up and I got that because that's
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happens to Parry, so I went
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one I've been working on now.
It just showed you some of the minis

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that I that I've been working on. There If you look at my dming

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instagram which is at Jason the DM. I got pictures of all these up

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there, so you can check that
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with all the starter stuff. There's
paints and these brushes in there, but

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there's miniatures in there, so that'll
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need. How many brushes do you
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there different to start with? You're
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these kits are going to come with
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which is just a general like you
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small. You can get details,
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are going to come with the brushes
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kind of gain preferences and learn you
know where the shortcomings are. Where there

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they where the strengths and weaknesses of
different types of brushes are, that's when

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you can start expanding your collection,
expand out. Sure, Yeah, I

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did get myself a set of miniatures
brushes. There's like like ten or twelve

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brushes in there, all different,
all different sizes. I'm just going to

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call them gages because that's all I
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don't really know that if there's like
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yeah, one and two and stuff
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painted, I actually had to go
reach for the five zeros, the smallest

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one. I d Yeah, it's
a she is wearing a what I what

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I interpret to be like a ribbon
necklace. Yeah, and I needed that

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ribbon to be like fine, fine, fine, Yeah, I think,

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but I think there might be some
people a little nervous about like do I

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need a whole set of brushes for
doing different stuff? And yeah, when

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you get started, that'll be that's
the expansion stuff. Yeah, to you

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know, even just the one,
you can do most of what you need

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to. Yeah, and that,
you know, it seems like too like

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it really depends on how much fine
detail you really want to sure pain or

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get into so well, and you
know, in fairly short order you'll have,

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you know, one of your brushes
that you've kind of worn down and

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you turned that into your dry brush
and stuff like that. This's all but

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this is probably this I maybe getting
ahead of less. Yeah, we'll cover

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all that in a second. Those
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So let's get into the nice to
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Now let's get back to the show. This small list here is things

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that I would recommend maybe getting all
in the in the first batch, but

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you don't need it if you're I
know, if this is a gift,

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Maybe this is maybe these are some
of the parts that lay the person you're

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giving you too might be might get
themselves, or you may have a more

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preference on some of these and you
don't just want to grab like the starter.

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So I call these the nice to
have. You can absolutely get away

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without them, or you can di
why these which is another reason that happened

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separate. So number one of my
nice to have is a handle. So

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this is like a grip that another
mader was I'm going to made a plastic

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and they give you just a more
ergonomic way of holding something so small,

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oh okay, okay, and so
you'll be like it'll be like a wooden

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like pommel that fits in the hand
nicely, and then the miniature will sit

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on top of it. The one
that I have, the miniature will sit

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on a stand with like like like
that blue like sticky tack stuff that your

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kindergarten teacher used to put on the
wall with, So that sticks the miniature

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to the to the base, and
then the base sits on the handle with

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a magnet and this way you can
rotate it three sixty. Oh that's interesting.

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And then mine has a small handle
on the side that you can rest

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your hand on and steady the whole
thing. And the other ones will have

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like different ergonomic like grips, and
so this is something that sits in front

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of you, and he sits in
your hand. Okay, yeah, it's

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small, it's it's it's gripped like
I think, like almost like a well

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size wise, think of like like
like a bicyle handle. Okay, so

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it's like that fits in your hand
and it's just a little a little more

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just ergonomic for holding it for a
long time, and you can get you

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can hold in different positions. Some
of them will have like more around their

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bases. You can hold them upside
down or grip them differently. And I

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mean, I guess the other thing
means to be said is this isn't anything

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that I'll like, you know,
a parent need on moltipliers you've got sitting

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in your toolbox is not going to
accomplish as well. Well, this is

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one of the things that is the
easiest and maybe first maybe for a starter,

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it may be even best to DIY. So when I sat in on

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that dungeon and craft session, he
just gave us all bottle caps like off

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of like like like like twist off
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of bottle. And that was enough
to just like sit in like you know,

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two or three fingers just so I'm
not touching the base in the mini.

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Yeah, and then not to kind
of twist it in the position.

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It's not the most ergonomic thing in
the world, but it was free,

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right, and if you're having a
public event, that's perfect. I've also

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seen people using quirks, like like
I have a wine bottle, and that's

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a little bit longer, a little
more ergonomic, and it's a little softer,

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so it's no nicer to grip.
For so far, these miniatures that

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I've been painting have taken me about
two hours, so that's that's a while

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to grip something. And I will
say the first one that I did,

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I did without a handle. I
didn't have anything in the house. I

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didn't well, I have bottle casts, but I did not have any like

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sticky tack. I had no way
of really attaching it. So I just

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held it the whole time And do
not recommend it. Can you can,

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but I don't recommend it. It
was it was a lot. Yeah,

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you know, you don't want to
give yourself carpal tunnel for no reason.

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Right, that's a handle, And
then I have small tools. So even

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if you're getting the miniatures straight out
of the box Preff manufacturer, they might

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they might be like some burrs in
the in the plastic, especially if they're

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like if you're if you're friends three
D printed them, or if you three

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D printed them. You know,
bits from the supports could still be on

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there, and a lot of the
ones that I've been getting from Army Painter

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are like snapped together, so they
came in on like is she kind of

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like a board game when you pop
out all the pieces the first time,

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So there's little burs from the plastic. So your basic toolkit is going to

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be like like flat and sidecutters and
an exact o knife and like tweezers.

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So these are just going to kind
of like as you file. Would you

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use a file on that at all? I think the exact dough is just

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going to do the job job just
as well. And if you, I

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mean, if you really want to
send stuff down drumm then I mean you

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can get drummle if you want to
spend money, but just to like an

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emory board that you'd use it,
Yeah, okay, it's perfectly good for

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you. I think that's what I
meant said. File nail file like a

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nail file. Yeah yeah, yeah, It's not part of my kit,

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but yeah, absolutely anything to just
get like those little birds all down.

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Those are the things are gonna do
you want to fix up the most.

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So in my personal kit. I
got some cheap tweezers. I got the

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cheapest exact on knife I could find. I got the cheapest sidecutters, and

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I will say with the sidecutters,
make sure you get the flat side ones

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because you want to get right up
next to the piece and I clip those

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off. And that's another one where
a lot of those companies, your Army

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Painter and your Reaper and stuff like
that, will sell a kit that has

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all that included in there. For
thank you, thank you for bringing that

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up, jim My recommendation. Yes, those companies will package them with their

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brand on it. Absolutely don't buy
them. The sidecutters that I bought look

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Iantic Golf, everything down to the
red handle through the sidecutters that I bought

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from the just from home depot and
not even like not even like a mom

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and pop shop, just like home
depot or Afraid or something. Joe,

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guess how much they work from home
depot? Three dollars four but yeah,

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okay, And I guess how much
Army Paintern wanted for the same exact thing.

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Nine twenty bucks? What, yeah, twenty dollars five hundred percent markup?

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Yeah, complete insanity. They had
the exact O knives too, for

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like triple the price. Then then
you can get from Staples when I go

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for like ten bucks eight eight for
a basic one. Yeah, for twelve

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you can get one of the nice
ergonomic handle and they're Tweezers set a set

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of three tweezers they wanted ten dollars
for and I got the same exact thing

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on Amazon for two. Wow.
It's it's just unreal. There's the markup

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on those. So yeah, these
paints are these paints are places are fine,

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and your friendly local game store will
carry them, and they'll be there

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because you're already gonna be in a
friendly local game store. And if you're

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in a pinch, go ahead.
Convenience. Not my money. I'm not

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going to tell you how to spend
it, but christ guys come on like

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like just army painter, get it
together. Twenty bucks for for for side

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cutters is stupid. Yeah. Yeah, if it was at least a little

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closer, like I'd prefer to give
it to a it's it's such a great

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somebody other than am such a grift. I don't love giving giving Amazon money,

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but they bring it to my house. So and that's the energy I

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have, so I like, I
don't. It's it's not a grift.

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It's it's what it costs to get
it through that system and put it on

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the games on the game store shop, right, someone who used to own

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a game store, like, it's
not a grift, it's it's that Home

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Depot is vertically integrated and own's their
entire supply chain. So it's absolutely it's

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going to be much much cheaper.
Yeah, and they have not because it's

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engaged in criminal activity. There's not
a gift grist from the game stores.

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It's a grift from army, from
army painter where he's saying, the stuff

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you buy directly from army, and
I mean there there overhead is going to

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be a lot different than than Home
Depot and Amazon too. However, I

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don't think it's it's that to that
so so worse than a grift. It's

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capitalism, all right. So that's
that's your small tools. I also haven't

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here a magnifier. These minis are
by very definition miniature. They're tiny.

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There's some little spots in there that
like just just getting the brush in there

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just so it's a little tough.
The minute that you told me about painting

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miniature is the first first thing I
Yeah. The first thing I thought of,

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though, was that scene from forty
year Old Virgin Shorties, like you

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had silver pants and now they're blue
or something like that. He's painting the

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little miniature with the giant magnifier in
his apartment. So the light that I

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got has magnifier in it. It's
a ring light with a with a tight,

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nice magnifier in it. And if
I don't even magnifier, I just

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don't look through it. And in
alterly, uh in uh thirty years,

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you'll be able to read newspapers with
that. Yeah, sure, try Like

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three, I did find out that
a reader reading glasses are an inevitability,

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and that's just kind of how I
aging works. So if you have readers,

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don't feel bad about it. Everyone
will eventually. Can Lasik fix that

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something? Damn it? Lasik starts
losing its effectiveness after age thirty five.

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Oh, son of a gun.
I missed the boat on that one.

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The cataracts also an inevitability. And
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one of the podcasts that I that
I edit professionally is run by an

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entomologist. So I'll so I've got
all eyeball facts ready to go. This

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show is fantastic A lousy with eyeball
tame. The last thing I have on

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the nice to have is a wet
palate. Now this is actually like a

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real piece of gear that you probably
should be getting. This is this is

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probably some people put this in the
got to have list, but you can

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absolutely get by and do fine with
a normal palate as opposed to a wet

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palate. What you've got that look
different between a wet palate and a not

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wet palate. Sure, wet palate
is is exactly how what's implied. It

405
00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:57.480
is wet. It uses. You
can use something as simple as a paper

406
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.920
towel, but there are like this
for it that is designed for it.

407
00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:07.599
But it sits on top of water
and keeps the paint wet so that the

408
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:11.319
paint won't try out. This is
also great for color mixing and for thinning

409
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.160
your paint. I will say that
my understanding of wet palletts is not quite

410
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.079
there yet. I don't have one. I don't use one for Bob Ross

411
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.079
using a wet palette. I don't
remember. I don't remember him painting a

412
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:26.000
tiny little uh orchie either, So
we're gonna put a happy little orc over

413
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.480
here. It's not a sentence.
So for the sake of this episode,

414
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.480
I'm not going to comment too much
on wet pallets because my understanding of them

415
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:33.759
is so little. But do you
know they are different, and I know

416
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:38.559
that they are very like they're like
pretty ubiquitous across most people's kits. Tell

417
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:42.960
me about your wet paltte Hello Adventures
podcast dot com slash slash voice. That's

418
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.920
that's the that's probably my next step
of my purchases. My wife would have

419
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.759
more information on or any of the
resources that I'll give it the end of

420
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:53.720
the episode. But yeah, wet
palate, I'm gonna puts the nice to

421
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:59.599
have this next session. Were going
to call kind of once things that just

422
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.200
make the whole experience just a little
bit nicer and kind of like puts you

423
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.079
in a little bit more of a
headspace of like this is a thing that

424
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:08.880
I'm planning to do now and not
just like a little like oh, miniature

425
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.519
studio kind of yeah you no,
no, I mean that's that's the next

426
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.000
Yeah, like I kind of want
like a little like a like a like

427
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.680
a shed. Sure there is a
lot to say, but having a dedicated

428
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:27.079
and that's for any hobby or or
anything like Like when when we moved into

429
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.640
the place that we that we live
in now, one of my absolute non

430
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.519
negotiable prerequisits was an extra bedroom that
I so I can have an office.

431
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:37.680
You gotta have. That was my
gotta have because I do work from home

432
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.599
a lot, and I need a
dedicated space so it feels like I'm working

433
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.759
or else I just never get anything
done. And it's been a godsend.

434
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.240
I do a ton in there.
So now like one corner of my office,

435
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.680
I have an extra like fold up
desk that I had already that was

436
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:55.759
using for other things and that's now
my miniature station. So having a dedicated

437
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:57.960
space is like just kind of like
when you're in that space, this is

438
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.039
the thing you're gonna do. And
whether it's you know, if you're you

439
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:03.319
know, if you're in school,
you've got you've got your dedicated to like

440
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.119
homework space. If you're working,
if a specially press work from home from

441
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:10.559
home, a home office is just
awesome. You already have spaces like this.

442
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.079
You probably don't even know it,
or we probably probably don't even recognize

443
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.359
it as being that thing. You
have a dining room, it's in the

444
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.039
name. This is where you have
dinner. Yeah, you got you got

445
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.480
dedicated spaces. Although I did just
see an article that if you're a millennial,

446
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.240
you may not have a dining room. That's dining room. That's I

447
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.319
heard millennials are killing in the dining
room. That's the newest thing that we've

448
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:33.079
killed. Three are supposed to record
your podcast. That's where we're live from

449
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.400
the dining room. This is more
my this is the board game and DVD

450
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:37.680
room than it is my dining room. I think I've got like three meals

451
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:42.720
here. Ever, all my meals
here have been at the stable playing Dungeons

452
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.440
and Dragons or podcasts. Yes,
we made so I'm going to added to

453
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.119
the kind of wants list where you
want some sort of dedicated space and maybe

454
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.000
a dedicated desk. I think that's
fair to put that in the in the

455
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.680
in the kind of wants section.
Yeah, that worked ou pretty well.

456
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.160
What I have on here already is
a heat dryer. This is like you

457
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:00.519
can get these for like under twenty
bucks. I think I paid twelve bucks

458
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.720
for mine, like a heat gun. A heat gun. Okay, if

459
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.279
you do any kind of like soldering
type of work, you probably already have

460
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:08.519
one of these. I already owned
one because I had it in my soldering

461
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.000
kit. This is how you shrink
shrink tubing. Some people might have it

462
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:18.640
for like restoration type of work,
so you can like soften up glue so

463
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.039
you can peel things off. We
got ours so that we could do the

464
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.920
plastic on the windows for the winter. So we're in the northeast here.

465
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:32.839
Yes, anything any quarterly shrink tubing
or heat activated adhesives something I already have.

466
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.039
You might already have one. Yeah, and if you don't. The

467
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.000
one that I got myself, it
was twelve bucks. It was cheap.

468
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:44.599
So why heat guns? So paint
doesn't dry instantly and watching it dry is

469
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.640
famously boring, as I've been told. But I was just going to use

470
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.599
like my little fan that I have
on my desk for when it gets hot

471
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.960
and moving air across paint will dry
it a little bit faster, but the

472
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.319
heat will dry even fast. Yeah, I was gonna say too. And

473
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:07.160
it's more these you can't just use
your hair dryer. It doesn't. It's

474
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.680
not enough. It doesn't get hot
enough usually, but also it's not as

475
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.079
directed. So because we tried to
use our hair dryer for that again,

476
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.400
for that plastic sheeting short around the
windows, it didn't do the job well

477
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.880
enough. Yeah, that doesn't work. Yeah, it doesn't really where they

478
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:23.640
say to use it. It doesn't
work well enough. So that's where the

479
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.319
heat gun. So just yeah,
now, from a lot of the DIY

480
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.519
articles that I've read on painting your
hair drying, it might be enough for

481
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.200
miniature so it'll take longer tho,
yeah, of course longer. But this

482
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:34.839
this dedicated heat gun, I'll just
like, no, I'll give things like

483
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.640
a wash coat, hit it with
a heat gun, and then by the

484
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.599
time I go refill my re film
my coffee, then it's all good.

485
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.480
And the other thing I have on
here just to kind of keep yourself not

486
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.440
only keeping yourself from getting paint everywhere, but also this kind of gets for

487
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.039
me. This is another step in
that getting in the headspace of this is

488
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.160
what I'm about to do. I
need to get other distractions out of my

489
00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.359
head. And maybe this is a
psychological thing for me, but I put

490
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.440
an apron on here Okay, a
cool like canvas or denim apron. All

491
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.640
all your all your barber friends have
one, all your tattooer friends have one.

492
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.720
I'm thinking, I'm thinking worse smock
and you could just go like you

493
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.279
did in preschool or kindergarten. Your
dad, your dad, Yeah, I'm

494
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.920
backgroud. Yeah. The problem is
my dad was a smaller size to me.

495
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:23.759
Now, So Dad, can I
absolutely destroy one of your shirts?

496
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:30.680
Go to good Will? Go to
good Will get a get ax Yeah,

497
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.519
you know, depending on your size, or like two or three sizes larger

498
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.279
button up shirt for a dollar.
Yeah. I think between you, me

499
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.519
and Jim, we can just each
hand a shirt to the left and then

500
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:45.240
everyone's fine. But I got myself
a canvas apron. Not only does this

501
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.119
function as a smock and keep all
my shirts nice without me having to change

502
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.599
clothes and to get into the headspace, but there's also pockets and stuff.

503
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.880
So if I want to keep my
exact dough with the sheath on in a

504
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.160
convenient spot, I don't have to
reach across the desk and stuff like that.

505
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:00.960
And you cool, I'm sure in
it. My wife has told me,

506
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.200
yes, I do. She says
I'm a handsome boy. Even just

507
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:07.599
like having my phone and like you
know, out of the way. I'll

508
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.880
keep an iPad on the desk because
right now I'm watching tutorials as I do

509
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.799
it, so I'll have something to
watch, but also playing music and stuff.

510
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.519
So if you'se some music on your
phone, look like a Michelin start

511
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.920
chef with your tweezers like sticking out
of it real cool. No, I

512
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:25.720
look like a modern chef like covenant
tattoos and completely cracked out. Yeah,

513
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.759
star chef. I feel like we're
saying the same it's getting you redundant.

514
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.480
So so in the kind of ones
this is like if you if you really

515
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.119
just want to just get the next
step, So that is a heat dryer,

516
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:42.480
an apron or a smock, and
some sort of dedicated spase. Uh

517
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.960
my fourth section here, we're going
this down the line. This is as

518
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.279
you these are things that I would
not fully recommend in your first batch of

519
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:55.279
purchases. I would I would work
with these things for at least like three

520
00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.720
to six months before moving on to
these things and list and this is probably

521
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.960
where you're going to start getting into
investing. Is a good deal? Yeah,

522
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:08.720
And not only do you not want
to get these immediately for the investment

523
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:12.920
reasons because like, you don't need
to spend this much money up front,

524
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.759
but also like in my case,
at least, you want to have a

525
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.559
couple of months under your belts that
you can develop preferences. And this is

526
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.279
something that I've always done with like
my guitar students. I was a guitar

527
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:28.440
teacher for nineteen years, and I
always recommended my students get the cheapest guitar

528
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.079
that won't fall apart, and then
you know, instead of spending one thousand

529
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.440
dollars now, spend two hundred now
and then get a good one hundred dollars

530
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.400
guitar later. Once you know what
you do and don't like, because you

531
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.279
don't want a thousand dollars guitar that
you don't like. I have several,

532
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.519
but that's because I'm impulsive. But
these are things that like you want to

533
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.759
know, like why are you buying
this thing? What problems is it solving?

534
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:51.759
And maybe borrow someone else's in certain
cases and see like you know,

535
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.440
what is it about this particular one? Like what am I looking for when

536
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.880
I do purchase one of these things? So for example, so let's just

537
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.960
go down the list. My number
one down the line is an airbrush.

538
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.079
And the reason I put this later
is because it is a whole technique in

539
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.920
and of itself. Yeah, and
not one that I am ready to start

540
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.480
learning, because I'm still learning basic
techniques, I mean, and not everybody

541
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.640
has a space where they could do
it. It's actually pretty I mean,

542
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.240
like you got to make sure it's
vented and all this kind of stuff.

543
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.720
Yeah, it's a whole thing.
It's it's like borderline a different hobby almost.

544
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.839
Yeah, and the you know than
the painting with the brushes. Yeah,

545
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.640
Now, air rushing for miniatures it
is easier to do it fully indoors

546
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.960
and as opposed to like resin three
D printing that wet thought down the past

547
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.960
episodes, the ventilation that you need
is not nearly as complicated. It can

548
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.720
be as simple as a fan.
But they make boxes for these with like

549
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.440
air purifiers in them, so like
you can do it without without you know,

550
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.160
doing your whole house. But you
can't just you don't want to just

551
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.759
spray it into a shoe box either, No, right, not getting so,

552
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.119
So that's why I'm putting it down
the linecause it's a whole different set

553
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.279
of things to buy also completely different
techniques to learn your brush stuff first,

554
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.359
and like you know, if you
have friends with air brushes, maybe you

555
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.199
try out one of theirs. They've
tried different ones and see like how they

556
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.239
you know, if someone has a
thirty dollars one and someone has three hundred

557
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.719
dollars one, Now, how does
the action feel? Is it really worth

558
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.599
the ten times price? Yeah,
there's little hobby air brushes I know you

559
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.360
can get at like Michael's that.
Yeah, I think I had one at

560
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.599
one point. But this is where
you that's where you want to have a

561
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.320
gearhead friend. You want to have
somebody that works on cars. Yeah,

562
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.639
yeah, yeah, they'll they'll have
access to that and probably you know,

563
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.320
if any you know, anybody that
does any kind of like detailing on choppers

564
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.400
or anything like that. That's so
those are the guys to talk to.

565
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.280
But to your point, Jim,
it really is. It's a totally different

566
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.519
Maybe it was you that made the
point. Totally different technique. So I'm

567
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.320
not friends with an intuitive, I'm
not friends with any car guys. But

568
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.280
you know who I know who does
own hair brushes. People are into nails,

569
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.320
oh sure, nail or air brushes
and your barbers, depending what kind

570
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.360
of like stuff they do. There's
there's air brushing with with like very particular

571
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.079
fade type of cuts. I did
not know that. Yeah, those are

572
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.679
the people I know with it with
airbrushes and hobbyists. Of course, next

573
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:04.559
is gonna be storage. You're gonna
be You're gonna add a lot of mini

574
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.559
to your collection, and you're gonna
want to put them into You're gonna want

575
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.000
toss them in a bin less than
you did when they were unpainted, because

576
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:14.480
now you got stuff to scratch and
ruin. There's all kinds of storage options.

577
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.840
You know your use case better than
I do. There's all kinds of

578
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:21.159
portable ones that are like like picking
pluck foam, so you can bring them

579
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.559
to games more easily if people come
to your house to play. There's more

580
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:28.239
like they kind of look like mini
fridges with like trays in them. That

581
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.280
seems to be the most popular ones. And then some of them just look

582
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.400
awesome and you want shelves and so
there's so there's all kinds of options for

583
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.480
that, but you're gonna want to
think of some sort of storage once they

584
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.559
start getting to be too much for
your desk. Right now, they live

585
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:44.000
on my desk where I paint them. Now that we talked earlier about about

586
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:49.960
getting higher end brushes, this is
when you could get early on, so

587
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.679
at least you learn the difference between
how an expensive brush feels versus a cheap

588
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.719
one. But like I said,
the kits came with a cheap brush.

589
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.280
I bought myself a set of decent
brushes, and then I bought myself one

590
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.880
single high end brush. A lot
of the wikis and the articles that I

591
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.679
was looking at suggested even just having
even just one of a size one high

592
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.920
end sable brush, So that's what
I did. I got that and I

593
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:20.320
have not used it yet, but
I even getting one early on will kind

594
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.480
of show you how a high end
brush will retain, paint, will spread,

595
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:28.920
and you know all the qualities of
a brush. And even holding on

596
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.519
to just the one number one sable
and just having that in your arsenal for

597
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.880
like for detailed type of stuff is
something you want to want to look into.

598
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.800
A lot of them are not recommending
necessarily getting a whole set of high

599
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:43.840
end stale table brushes. There's no
reason to spend one hundred dollars on brushes

600
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.679
where like it because this one brush
was ten bucks. Yeah, and like

601
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.119
you know, ten bucks to drop
in the bucket compared to everything else.

602
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.559
But that adds up when you have
like fifteen brushes in your personal Yeah,

603
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.559
so I don't mind spending ten bucks
on one brush and then my entire other

604
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.079
set. I think it was twenty
for the whole set. Okay, it's

605
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.159
just that bad. So so those, I think are the places where you

606
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.360
can really grow. That's your your
airbrush, your storage options, your sable

607
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.880
brushes. Oh and if you want
to get into making the the miniatures yourself

608
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.960
is of course getting into resin three
D print thing, which we talked about

609
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:20.199
on the Miniature Collecting episode. Not
much new to be said about that,

610
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.440
just to just be aware of how
much space and ventilation that they need.

611
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:27.559
And yeah, they stink, they
do, like resin smells yep. And

612
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.079
it doesn't just smell, it's toxic. Yeah, yeah, you can't.

613
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.639
You can't breathe that all day or
at all. So I do have friends

614
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.079
that live in apartments and they build
themselves things to make it work in the

615
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.679
closet, and it was working for
them, and so there there are options.

616
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:45.280
So like, just just be safe, be careful and know what you're

617
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.599
getting into. But if this is
like a huge thing for you, where

618
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.360
there's a will that is a way
you can find something. It may end

619
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.320
up taking up space in your house
that your partner may want, may not

620
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.960
want it to be taking up space, and it may increase your your investment

621
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.400
too. To your point, you
have to make something special, yea,

622
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:07.480
and I just get like hook up
with someone who's like a knitter or something

623
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.800
like that, and then you you
should be able to claim you have at

624
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.280
least as much space for your monies
as they have for their yard. And

625
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.639
then and you guys will get along
great fantastic. Now, if you can't

626
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.079
find a I can't find space or
just really just don't want to it,

627
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:23.840
just kind of work on that with
with printing it yourself. You know,

628
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.480
we'll get to this in the next
section. But find me someone who can

629
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.760
print for you and just I know
it's awesome. A few bucks to use

630
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.800
the printer in their downtime has been
working for me. So your mileage may

631
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.840
vary, but that'll be part of
our next section, which we'll get to

632
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:44.280
now. My last section here this
is doesn't really go into like things to

633
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.039
buy or things to get or study
or anything. And this is I'm calling

634
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:52.800
this community. This is absolutely a
hobby that you can do totally by yourself

635
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.039
and probably be fully fulfilled. And
I think I'm you know, I'm sure

636
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.400
there's plenty of people out there who
paint on their own for their own uses

637
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:06.519
and little ambient music on and just
yeah, the way we do absolutely do

638
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.280
you know one of them doesn't know
the ambient music you can throw on death

639
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:15.199
metal if you want whatever, whatever
relaxes insane class maybe shout out, rot

640
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.800
out. But I was watching episodes
of What Did I Have On the other

641
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.880
day. I was, you say, I gotta like game drums in the

642
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.559
background or something. The other day
I like, stop and laugh my ass

643
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:30.599
off for a few minutes. But
but this is something that, like most

644
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.800
hobbies, is enjoyed better in groups. And it's because this is also a

645
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.800
skill. I think a community and
some sort of group that can like bounce

646
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.719
their ideas and bounce their knowledge off
each other is just makes it that much

647
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:49.119
more fulfilling. So these are just
general places to find communities for kind of

648
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.480
anything. This isn't really like a
specific two miniatures type of thing. But

649
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.039
your Facebook groups, your your subreddits, your discord groups, all those are

650
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.199
gonna be great online places. I
mean, there's there's a reddit for everything,

651
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:06.079
but man, even more so,
there's a face. There's probably a

652
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:12.599
handful of Facebook groups for everything,
absolutely every absolutely, and they're great knowledge

653
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.119
bases as somebody that's you know,
into a lot of different hobbies. Yeah,

654
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.159
I can't recommend Facebook groups and look
up look up ones that are local

655
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.519
to you too. So like nowhere
based in New Jersey, there's a New

656
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.679
Jersey D and D players Facebook group. That's how I found Jim. That's

657
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:30.039
how I found my local game store, That's how I got into a lot

658
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.199
of my dming stuff. So the
Facebook groups were a great place to find

659
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.519
community for that. The r slash
I think it's mini's painting, may be

660
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.559
mini painting, miniature painting, I
forget exactly what it's called. But there's

661
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:44.320
a great subreddit that seems pretty pretty
non toxic actually, despite the paints being

662
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.239
very toxic. Don't don't drink the
paint, but definitely go check out those

663
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.960
comments. They seem to be pretty
supportive of each other so far. And

664
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:53.440
then there's there's there's gonna be discord
groups just a general D and D group.

665
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.280
A lot of them will have a
separate area for miniature show Off and

666
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.199
that kind of thing. I mentioned
London Draft, so there's one for the

667
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.440
dms. Mostly it's a coordinate what
games we're going to take over. But

668
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.880
we've been talking about our paints a
lot on there, and we were starking

669
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.639
a little bit about Games Workshop and
how much it costs before. But that

670
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:14.320
is a hobby where painting is a
big part of that hobby and so if

671
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:19.400
you look for, you know,
stores that sell GW if they're having paint

672
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.920
days and things like that, you
know, we're times when you can get

673
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.480
together and paint. They're happy to
have you come in and bring your D

674
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:27.679
and D minis as well. So
that's another place to kind of look for

675
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.960
that community of people that are that
are painting, and not just that are

676
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.639
painting, but that are painting a
lot. Yes, you know, where

677
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.159
it's a big part of that.
And you know, for the most part,

678
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.679
my experience with that was that,
like everybody was always happy to have

679
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.639
new people come in and show them, you know, tricks and tips and

680
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.880
stuff like that. So another place
to look for that is is those you

681
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.960
know miniature gaming community. That was
actually my next point was the i r

682
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.960
L. The i r L places
to make communities. And not only well,

683
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.880
you're funding local game stores. Your
your local store probably sells paints and

684
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.000
we probably love people to come in
and talk about paints and buy them from

685
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.000
them. And if a lot of
games whos will even have like paint classes

686
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.840
or even just like a like a
get together paint like it's like a sip

687
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.079
and paint type of thing. And
if your game store doesn't have one,

688
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.559
talk to them about starting one.
For some game stores, just having the

689
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:17.199
extra foot traffic inside would be enough
for them to say yes. Others might

690
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.800
want to charge like a like a
door fee, like a like a table

691
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.559
fee, which we paid at the
door, and that's that's fine too.

692
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:28.119
These places are paying their rent based
on their square footage, and it's you

693
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.559
know, they usually it's just going
to be to cover your material costs that

694
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.679
man sometimes sometimes, but also like
you know, they're paying for their square

695
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.599
footage and they have to maximize the
profitability of that square footage. So if

696
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.519
they ask for just a space fee, you know, don't don't get many

697
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:43.480
grief for that. But you know, if they're including like paints or a

698
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.559
miniature or anything like that. Someone
includes snacks if they If they can't include

699
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.039
stuff like paints, then then that's
cool too. But if your store doesn't

700
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:54.159
have a paint night, talk about
starting one. We just just started one

701
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:59.119
at our local store. Cool and
they do it on a night that I

702
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.199
can't go. I've not been to
one yet, but the the person running

703
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.960
it has played in some of my
store games there. He's awesome. He's

704
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.920
one of the ones who's in printing
meanings for me and just just all too

705
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.519
happy to do it and talk about
it. It's just like people who are

706
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.039
into it. When they find new
people who are into it, they love

707
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.239
to talk about it. So you
love you love to see it. And

708
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.920
of course, so that's your feminical
game store and the last one in I

709
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.400
L group, your playgroup. If
you're playing a game, just you know,

710
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.840
see if anybody else wants to join
you. And because you know I'm

711
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.440
going to it our next game.
Jeff, Yeah, man, I would

712
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.119
love to host you know, paint
parties just here. I think we should

713
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.159
do a sip and paint here,
you know, so come over a couple

714
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.880
hours early, will a little paint
miniatures dedicated night. Yeah tonight, that's

715
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.920
fine too. We're gonna we're gonna
sip and paint. We're gonna chug,

716
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.079
chug and paint. Yeah yeah,
that slam. A couple of sixteens are

717
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.519
But that's that's been generally in my
findings on my couple of weeks as a

718
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.960
new miniatures paint. Thanks for bringing
that to it. So I'm gonna recap

719
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.079
all of that. So that is
your Section one is your gotta has.

720
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:05.559
These are your absolute must. That's
paints, brushes, a good light source,

721
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.000
a water cup, some sort of
palette, and of course miniatures.

722
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:13.119
Section two is nice to have.
This is a handle, a small tool

723
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.559
set, a magnifier and a wet
palate. Section three is your kind of

724
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:21.079
once that is an apron, a
heat dryer, and some sort of dedicated

725
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.519
space. Four is down the line. That's your airbrush, your storage options,

726
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.480
a sable brush or a sable brush
set, and a three D resume

727
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.679
printer or a friend who can three
D resume print for you. And then

728
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.599
your community. Online communities include Facebook
groups, Reddit and discords and your IRL

729
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.880
groups are your already existing play group
and your friendly local game store or possibly

730
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.440
your podcast co hosts, and that's
it. And this has been like,

731
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.039
this has been taken up like a
good amount of my time recently, and

732
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.880
I this is time that I would
have absolutely wasted. I've mentioned several times

733
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.360
on the show. I'm an audio
engineer for a living. I do concert

734
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.119
work. So my normal bedtime for
myself is like three am. That's just

735
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.960
when I get home. That's just
when I when I get tired, and

736
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.440
I'll kill those last like two hours
like on the couch watching TV or on

737
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:15.320
my phone watching YouTube, or just
doom scrolling or just endless Reddit, endless

738
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:20.400
Reddit, end listening Instagram. I
put a parental control on my own phone

739
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:24.599
to make me stop scrolling through Instagram, Reddit and all those after. I'm

740
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:28.920
even embarrassed to say how much time
I gave myself and I run out every

741
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:35.239
day, and so having just even
two hours set aside to not do that,

742
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.320
and they actually have something to show
for it. I got the miniatures

743
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.039
on the table in front of me
right here. They're really great. There,

744
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.519
they're really it looks like I've been
painting for as long as I've been

745
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:49.519
painting, and comparatively, I mean, it's just I'll go look at my

746
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.239
DM instagram that is at Jason the
d M, and I will put a

747
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:57.519
picture of the the one that I
painted at the at the Dungeons and Craft

748
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.199
event versus the one that I just
did like two nights ago. Yeah,

749
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.719
so pretty, it's pretty clear.
Great. One of the great things about

750
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:06.559
this as a hobby is that you
get better at it very quickly when you

751
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.719
first start doing it. Yep,
and like there there's a whole lot of

752
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.800
One of the things you'll learn,
especially if you start to talk to some

753
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.639
people who have been doing it for
a while, is there some shortcuts and

754
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.280
tricks that just once you learn them, your stuff, you know, it

755
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.480
kind of just levels up very quickly. Yeah. And you know the one

756
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:27.480
you did, the very first one
you did, compared to the one you

757
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.559
do just like ninety days later,
the difference is huge. And that's one

758
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.360
of the super fun things about it. Well, this is about twenty you

759
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.119
get better at it's already a lot, yeah, mostly interesting, and it's

760
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:38.840
just it's just fun and like and
it's just it just feels good to like

761
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.360
walk away with something that I helped
create and like this and this is a

762
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:49.199
one of a kind I made this, and it's it's a very satisfying hobby.

763
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.440
A lot of my other hobbies include
things that don't continue to exist when

764
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.159
they're done, board gaming and the
D and D game we have. You

765
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.559
have stories to tell them. That's
about it. And you know, and

766
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.159
even as a musician, very few
times do your record. You know,

767
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:06.840
for the amount of times that I
play Initiative versus the the handful of songs

768
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:08.599
I have recorded, there's not a
lot to take away with a lot of

769
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.199
the hobbies I have. And this
is cool because every time I do it,

770
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.880
I'm gonna have something to take away. So yeah, this is this

771
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:20.320
is my current ADHD fixation and you
know, money dump and things to do

772
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:24.840
that. But if this is your
first time hearing about how to get started

773
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.039
in miniatures and now you're peaked,
I would love to go with you on

774
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.079
your journey. I would love to
hear how you how you plan on starting,

775
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.199
and I would love to see your
your first paint. So you can

776
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.199
send us your comments and everything to
Hello Adventurers Podcasts at gmail dot com,

777
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.760
or you can just tell us how
excited you are, or tell us how

778
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.400
long you've been painting, or tell
us your favorite painting story. That's Helloadventurers

779
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.039
podcast dot Com slash Voice and I
do want to get Mike on here,

780
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.760
who's the one who got me into
it. Some of his painting stuff that

781
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.159
he sent pictures of are I'll show
you. I'll show you, guys.

782
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:04.079
These off off Mike. Unbelievable.
The the the floor is like easy to

783
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.639
get to and the ceiling doesn't exist. It's completely nuts with some of the

784
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:14.000
people have pulled off. So super
excited to continue with this. Anything anything

785
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.079
to add boys, No thanks for
sharing that with us. Cool. Decided

786
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:21.920
to try myself. Did I miss
anything huge that like a game store owner

787
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.199
would would have recognized that I missed, You know what, maybe maybe one

788
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.880
thing sure, and that is that
one of the things that you can get

789
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.400
into that can be fun, which
is like a little kind of a next

790
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:36.480
level kind of thing, is modifying
some of your minis. You know,

791
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.119
like like like you you clip a
sword off of somebody and you you know,

792
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:44.119
take the axe off someone else and
you switch them around or something like

793
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:45.719
that. That's a thing that you
can kind of get into with you,

794
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.400
you know, with your your super
glue and your advance and your clippers,

795
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:52.960
and that can be a lot of
fun doing that kind of that kind of

796
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.039
kip bashing, you get a little
better at it. One of the minis

797
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:02.599
manufacturers now comes with like module pieces. There's different hands and different weapons and

798
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.159
different facial expressions and like, yeah, they're a little bit more expensive,

799
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.639
but like you can paint them all
and swaps. Yeah, and that is

800
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:15.480
a thing that the GW guys.
You you get folks that are playing GW

801
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.320
there way into all that kind of
modification and stuff like that, and they'll

802
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.079
have a lot of good advice tricks
and tips and and you know, and

803
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:28.079
what they call bits bins right from
all the like just you know, extra

804
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.440
weapons and stuff that that come on
a sprew for a you know, spru

805
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.639
Fall, Space Marines or you know, Fantasy ORCS or something like that.

806
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.039
So that that can be another kind
of fun direction to go in the g

807
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:44.199
W also for creative do they also
do the Star Wars mini's games that then

808
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.760
I don't think so now, okay, Fantasy, Okay, okay, one

809
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:52.880
of the other main major these guys, All right, cool, thanks for

810
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.280
face for capping that off, Jim
Joe, We're good. Yeah, cool,

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Want to come point paint with me? Yeah, let's do it right

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now. Guys, thank you so
much for listening to Hello Adventurers. We

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are your host Jason Portizo, Jim
Crocker and Joe McCall producer, editoring engineer

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Jason Portiso. Music by Nick Sperior, artwork by Kristen Broderick. You can

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reach out to us with any feedback
or questions by emailing Hello Adventurers podcast at

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gmail dot com. Hello Adventurers is
a GTP audio production. Goodbye,