Hello, Adventurers! Meet Your DMs!

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Hello Adventurers, a podcast where we
talked about dm D topics, near in

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theater, role player's hearts. I'm
Jason Portiso, I am Jim Crocker,

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and I'm Joe McCall and this is
episode one. Thanks for tuning in.

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So what are we doing today?
So today the first episode, Like any

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good podcast, we're going to answer
two questions for you. Who are we

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and why should you care? That's
something about fair Yeah, yeah, it's

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a little info dump to get started. Yes, so this is gonna be

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a Dungeon and Dragons show or a
role playing show where we talk about role

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playing topics. This is going to
be mostly Dungeon and Dragon's focus, but

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not entirely. So if you're a
path Finder player or any number of other

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games that I know Jim has played, yes we'll get to that in a

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minute too. But you're you're welcome
out our table as well. So let's

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get into like what is the show? Why are we even here? Why

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are why are we all here?
So we're gonna be talking about things about

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the game. We have both players
and DMS in mind, and we want

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to make sure that you guys have
the best game possible. I think that's

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a good mission statement, right,
Yeah, that's an excellent mission statement.

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Let's meet the hosts. So let's
talk about our background in podcasting or in

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audio in general, Like, well, that would really just be me,

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but so let's I've been talking since
an early age audible. That's what radio

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is, man now down we're just
recording it showing it to people, which

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I'm glad most of what I say
is not recorded, So I'll start here.

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So my background is specifically in audio. I am an audio engineer.

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We can bring this back to twenty
eleven where I owned and operated a music

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studio called Ugley Door, and was
there where we started getting into podcasting.

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This was in twenty thirteen where I
had a show interviewing local bands and having

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them play live on and that shows
a lot of fun. We did that

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in two seasons, got about fifteen
or twenty local bands on there, some

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that were very new and something that
already had some sort of buzz around them.

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The studio closed in twenty fifteen,
and this is when I got into

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live audio production, which I still
do pretty much as a full time job

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ever since twenty sixteen. The front
of house engineer for a mid size venue

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here in New Jersey. Then pandemic
hits. I can't do live music anymore.

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For about what we thought was going
to be a nice little two week

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vacation wompom. Two years later I
got back to work. But during those

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two years, in twenty twenty,
I got back into podcasting. We just

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kind of bought some gear and made
a silly little comedy show with some friends.

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That kind of got me into podcast
editing that I now do professionally,

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and it led me do some shows
that I wanted to make. So the

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silly little comedy show, it was
a fun one. We don't have to

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talk about that. It's not even
out there anymore. But this got us

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into a show called Curmudgeons and Dragons. And if you're listening to this,

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there's a good chance you probably know
Jim and myself from that show that lasted

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for one hundred and thirteen episodes,
which is a milestone for most podcasts.

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Yeah. Yeah, I was there
for like the back third or so of

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those. Right, so you started
a lot earlier than you think you did.

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I must have, yes, So
I went back and checked. I

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don't have it in front of me. I forget when you actually started.

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It was something like episode like thirty. Oh my god, No, I

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thought you guys had been going for
quite a bit more before that. Oh

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we did. It was time that
we have on the show. Time does

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not equal episode, right or else. We abound this episode two thousand by

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now. But so Curmudgeons. We
stopped making Curmudgeons and Dragons in May of

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twenty twenty three, mostly schedule conflicts
and things like that. But there's a

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couple of things that I wanted to
improve on the show. And as much

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as proud as I was of that
show, it was a bit, you

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know, flying by the seat of
our pants and not very planned out.

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And while we have some great discussions, I really think we can do this

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better. So this is what led
us to the show you're listening to you

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right now, Hollow Adventures, where
we're going to be covering a lot of

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the same things that we covered our
Commerciences and Dragons, but I want to

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come in more research, better content, and give more value to the players

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and dms are listening to us,
and that's where we are today. Yay

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brought us here. Channon, tell
me about your background in the podcasting.

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Background in podcasting so this kind of
ties a little bit into my professional background,

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which we'll I mean, we're going
to get into our gaming background.

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But I managed and or owned comic
and game stores for a little over twenty

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years. So yeah, there was
a couple of shops in ann Arbor,

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Michigan, where I was a manager
and buyer for those shops for three four

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years something like that. And then
when my wife graduated from grad school and

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we moved back to New England,
I opened my own shop, which was

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called Modern Myths, and I had
that for about sixteen years, and somewhere

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I don't like about like like six
seven years into that, we started doing

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our own podcast. And this was
one of these kind of pop culture round

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table kind of things where we had
three of us. We had me,

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we had someone who was much younger
than me, and then we had a

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third person, you know, was
kind of a rotating third person, and

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we'd talk about comics, role playing
games, board games, whatever it was

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that was kind of interesting to us
that week because the store was kind of

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a you know, one of these
sort of catch all pop culture stores.

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And so we did that like off
and on probably for like a good ten

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years something like that. In different
iterations, and you know, it would

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you know, there'd be times where
we'd stop doing it for six weeks for

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the holidays because it got too busy, and then we'd go back to doing

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it and stuff like that and so
and that was a lot of fun.

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Eventually, that kind of you know, that faded as the business got more

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challenging and eventually, well you talk
about the pandemic. I closed down my

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store in twenty eighteen and just made
it, Yes, just made it.

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Yeah, it look like a genius
in hindsight. Yeah, insider trading,

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except for the fact that what I
decided to do after that was convert my

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business entirely to selling games at conventions. Yeah, which that that lasted,

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you know, a nice year and
a half, Yes, and yeah,

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while the conventions were going exactly,
yeah and so, and I did some

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I had a kind of a one
man podcast that I did when I had

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that convention business. There was sort
of short episodes where I talked about games

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that I had played. It was
called just Played, and you're familiar with

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that. We we had talked about
maybe trying to get something going with that

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again, but that kind of proved
to be like if I'm not selling those

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games anymore than the incentive to go
and play a ton of games. I

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don't necessarily want to. I don't
have to do that anymore. So it

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feels great. And Just Play show
is what got you onto Commentions and Dragons.

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Yes, because you posted something to
one of the Facebook groups saying,

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hey, looking for somebody else who
might be interested in talking about D and

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D And I said, hey,
that sounds like fun. Here's my podcast

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I've done. You went and listened
to that, You're like, Okay,

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it doesn't sound like a complete idiot. So but yeah, and so you

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know, I got onto that show. It was a blast. It was

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so much fun to do that.
You know, I was along for the

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ride on whatever it is you wanted
to do newt So here we are.

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Actually some of those one hundred and
thirteen episodes from Commanders and Dragons were actually

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Just Played episodes. Yeah, I
guess that's true. There was a couple

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of months where we were producing new
episodes of Just Played and releasing them under

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Communchals and Dragon and that was on
Monday Show or for a bit until,

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like you know, it's just sometimes
you just don't want to do it.

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Anymore. Yes, when we change
formats and we move on. Joe,

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this is your first podcast at a
host. As a host, as was

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a guest on not yet famous Good
One Keith podcast, the comedy podcast that

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I mentioned earlier. Joe's a long
time friend and we known each other fourteen

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fifteen years. Sound something along those
lines, but it's something close to that.

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So so as a podcaster and audio
guy, Joe's knew to being a

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host. Super happy to have them. But most importantly, Joe is my

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DM for hour and I'm gonna I'm
gonna use the term monthly game loosely.

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Yeah, I try to kill you. Monthly. Sometimes we miss entire months

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because as we were all at our
thirties and forties, monthly ish, yes,

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monthly if were lucky. We did
play last night though, and that

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was awesome. But it is good
to have my old podcasting buddy and my

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DM on this show with me.
So that's us for podcasting. Who are

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we as gamers? So I'll start
again. This is my background in gaming

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now. I played Magic the Gathering
in middle school and high school on a

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very casual level, stopped for a
while all through college, and I picked

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Magic back up again in two thousand
and four quickly became a judge, and

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I, like most judges, most
magic judges either played super casual formats before

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Commander was a quote unquote real format. We had Elder Dragon Highlander, and

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tons of judges were super into EDH
or if you were not an EDH judge,

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you were a competitive vintage judge Marxes
and Lotuses and stuff, and that

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was me. So I and a
couple of the judge friends we had some

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competitive teams and I played magic until
I sold off my gear in twenty eleven,

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which actually, if you remember from
earlier, I in my recording studio

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in twenty eleven. That's how I
bankrolled in sure, sold off my collection

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and bought an entire career. Sometimes
it works out so that that was my

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magic career. And every now and
again, probably once a year, the

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itch to play magic sparks up again, and I think about just ruining my

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life. It's like a Magic the
Gathering Cinderella story. Yeah, this is

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now like a Magic the Gathering,
like crack Addict story, where it's like

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every year it's like, oh,
man, do I want to ruin my

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life again? Because it was fun? Do I want to keep my partner.

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Well, that's okay, we'll get
into personal side a little bit later.

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But like my partner is entirely way
too supportive of all the stupid crap

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I do. She does not say
you shouldn't do that nearly as often as

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she should, because there's a lot
of things I do that I shouldn't do.

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So anyway, back to podcasting,
one thing that she is actually articipates

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with me on is our boarding play
Shame, which you were just perusing and

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we're recording for a recording from my
house right now, and I haven't counted

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in a while. It's definitely over
one hundred and fifty games. I might

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have cracked two hundred recently, Like
you're a serious board gamer. When I

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look at the shelf and at least
a third of them haven't had the shrink

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wrap taken off, Yeah, which
tells me that you're exactly that you're lose

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their buying games just in case,
so they lose their value if you.

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If there's at least there's at least
one over there where I see multiple copies

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where one's the Kickstarter edition and one's
the regular edition. Yeah, there's a

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lot of games in cell a fank
because again, all my friends are in

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the thirties and forties and it is
difficult to get people to the table to

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play new games now. But I
still collect them, I still love them.

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I play them as often as I
can, and it is my goal

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to at least crack the shrink wrap
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those this year twenty twenty four goals. I'll totally play Sentinels in the Multiverse

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with you anytime. Oh, absolutely
love that a great game. I absolutely

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love that game. But that's for
a board game. Podcast is the D

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and D Show, which coincidentally is
next to my list of things to talk

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about, So my D and D
background, This is where things start to

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get funny. So again, just
imagine the gathering I played in middle school.

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But I played it super wrong and
super bad, and it was really

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just like a bunch of middle schoolers
sitting around the lunch table telling each other

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riddles. And that's kind of all
it was. Yeah, that's kind of

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all it was. We didn't have
character sheets, we didn't have to do

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any of that. We had the
books, we didn't read them, got

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books in the library barely. I
think the only book I ever actually like

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read from the library for D and
D was the This must have been second

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edition, I guess, with those
big brown handbooks. Yeah, like the

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complete hand Complete Fighter. I remember, the only one in the library was

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the Complete Psionicists. They probably had
all of them at one time, but

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Complete Psionicist was the only one nobody
wanted to steal, so so it was

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still in the library. So as
far as I was concerned, that was

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my favorite class. It's all I
knew. And yeah, I was a

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sist apparently in middles so I didn't
really playing amuch. I was way more

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into magic and at some of the
other card shops and Jim maybe you can

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attest to this, there was kind
of a like an unspoken not like a

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war, but just like a misunderstanding
between the dice truckers and the car floppers.

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Yep, yeah, for sure.
And that's where we called ourselves at

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dice chuckers and the card floppers.
I was a card flopper and I had

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a lot of friends who were dice
chuckers, and we kind of got along

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mostly a little bit. So most
shops have them playing on different nights,

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so you like you got the D
and D players on Wednesday, and the

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Magic guys on Friday, h F
and M. But it's the you know,

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the aggressive D and D people that
want to come in on the night

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that's not the regular D and D
night that mix it up with the card

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players or the magic guys that want
to well, can we just take a

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table in the back to play dy
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and we did, and then I
made friends a lot of those guys,

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even though I didn't play with them. Yeah, but I mean a lot

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of great friends. So through D
and D before I even played, Yeah,

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they kind of worked pretty well.
Yeah. So when the radnick of

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books came out, now we're bringing
D and D into the Magic universe,

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and that that's what kind of pete
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to actually start playing again. None
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was like, really, just started
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no time to play something that takes
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once again, twenty twenty hit.
Now there's time, nothing but time.

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online game with his son and wanted
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you guys, know each other from
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oh no, I think you said
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poetry scene. Friend. We had
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people that I've met through like the
open MIC's scene and stuff like that.

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you only go three ish, oh
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And then I met everybody through the
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So going out at the local diner. Yeah, that's a scene thing,

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totally. Yeah, I missed my
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So in twenty twenty, Joe got
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I rolled up my first Cleric and
the game itself didn't last very long because

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the problem with this game was that
it was everybody, and that included like

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wives and kids that didn't really want
to play the guinea. Wives and kids

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involved awesome making people who don't want
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not awesome for anyone. Yeah,
so that game kind of fizzled out pretty

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quick, but but it did get
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what I got to be doing.
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podcasts, and NAT pod was the
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still listened to pretty much daily.
Dimension twenty was fantastic. Bombarded was one

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that I like a lot, and
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Nick Spurrier from that show is the
one who composed the theme music for this

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show. Oh sweet, So big
shout out to Nick Spurrier and DNB four

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or four. That's a show that
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just one of the four guys is
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were at different time zones from each
other. That's local enough you've met face

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to face. So yeah, one
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their show, and we'll meet meeting
the DM through our local shop. He

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and I both run games at our
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him there checking out the show sounds
fantastic, The story is great, and

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they brought me in as a guest
now twice. And so yeah, so

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DNB four or four, I'm I'm
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think that's a good rule that if
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a local show. Yeah, it's
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not. But if it's the DM, then it's the local. Yeah.

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Absolutely. And then for round table
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favorites have been A three Black Half
Links is one of the best round table

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shows. How they do actual play
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as a round table show. Of
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and then Dungeon Cast is the biggest
non actual play show for podcasts. That's

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my background on gaming. Jim,
So you mentioned only the game stores were

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about actually as a player, as
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you got a long history of the
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D and D since before both of
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Yeah seriously though, Like my first
D and D was the like late nineteen

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seventies basic homes blue box D and
D. But you know that came in

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the you know, in the cardboard
box with the dragon on the front and

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like the fighter on one side and
the Wizard on the other. You popped

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it open and it had the like
the blue rule book where you know,

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Elf and Dwarf for classes, and
it was like I think it was I

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think the one I got was the
very first edition that had B two that

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had to keep on the borderlands in
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Unknown, the B one that they
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kind of local toy and bike shops
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you know, post Toys, r
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with my little brother, and then
I brought it to summer camp and you

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know, got some of my boy
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and have been playing ever since,
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high school where I thought I was
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went to college and immediately discovered no, in fact, all of the other

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drama nerds that I was hanging out
with, ye well, like I used

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to play D and D I could
play again if you wanted to, and

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it was just like bohm, we
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but been playing continually pretty much since
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game store thing, I've played every
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of every edition since second because the
when I had my game store in an

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arbor was the tail end of second
and the biggest day that we had in

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the history of that store was when
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midnight release of it. Oh wow, so that people could buy it the

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second that they were allowed to,
and we sold you know, we did,

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like, you know, just massive
numbers what we would normally do,

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and close to a month just of
the you know, the third edition rulebooks

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because everyone was just so so excited
by it. Wow. Yeah, So

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let's get a hot take. So
you've run weekly games for every edition,

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hm, you got to pick one
to stick around forever. Fourth hands down,

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absolutely fourth Edition. Which is not
to say it's the best edition of

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D and D. It's my favorite
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one I had the most fun with
running second campaigns up because it's like,

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like, I played D and D
for a certain thing and the thing I

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want out of D and D fourth
Edition did the best, Like was the

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best version of that. But yeah, so, like I ran those weekly

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games up through when I shut the
store down, and so I have not

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been involved in a regular D and
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been following a lot of the discourse. I've been enjoying these conversations that we

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have, and I kind of keep
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well, if I ran a game, I would do it this way

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and stuff like that. But you
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D and D currently is doing this, sure, but you run a lot

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of other games. I do so
as a result of my convention gaming and

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what I did with the store.
I got involved very early on, like

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late two thousands in the kind of
indie game scene, the sort of small

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press greater owned game scene, a
lot of the powered by the Apocalypse is

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a thing that forged in the dark. Those are names that people who follow

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this stuff may recognize, and so
I am very involved in that scene.

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And like this week, I played
in six online games over the course of

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the week. So like I work
part time in the library and the rest

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of the time, I'm a house
husband. I you know, do all

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of our domestic stuff and everything.
Well, my wife makes all of our

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money, so I have some time
to do a lot of internet gaming.

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And this is the thing I picked
up over the pandemic, and so I'm

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playing a whole lot of indie games. You know, during the week,

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I do a little bit of writing
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space, but it's kind of all
over the place. Yeah, a lot

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of indie gaming for sure. Yeah, and that's one of the reasons that

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why I love having you on the
show, that like you're able to pull

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from other games what you like from
those and like whether it applies to D

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and D or not, or if
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rule could be improved by borrowering from
other systems, and or if D and

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DSH is not your right system you
are to run a very specific game,

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there might be a different system for
it. Yeah, And I just want

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to, you know, stay up
front. I have no interest in the

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like indie games versus D and D
kind of discourse. It's there's everybody can

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have fun. And you know,
I loved running D and D when I

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was running it, and I think, you know a lot of that indie

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game stuff can make your D and
D games better by importing it where it

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makes sense to do that, sure, Joe T. I'm your background in

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gaming gaming, so I'm a lifelong
gamer, I think, but first played

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Dungeons and Dragons. Actually, in
high school, I had some friends that

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were seniors when I was a freshman
and we played Dungeons and Dragons one night,

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and I'm sure we played it wrong. But other than that been into

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board gaming. Do you have fun? I think I did, from what

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I remember I did. I think
you played it right. Yeah, then

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you didn't play it wrong. That's
good. There you go. There's a

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thesis statement for this show. Yeah. I would agree with that too.

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And like we were saying, with
borrowing from other editions and other role playing

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games and other tabletop games, I
like in my games to use, you

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know, rules that just work for
our table So I even now don't probably

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play D and D correctly. But
yeah, into board gaming for a long

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time. Was part of the Ugly
Doors Studios gaming group that happened probably after

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some of those podcasts. That's right. We did werewolves that so it was

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nicer how my board game collection started. I this that we were a bit

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younger and there was less kids in
our group, and I think you were

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one of the few that actually had
kids at the time. Yes, And

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he was pretty young then. And
when I had my recording studio sometimes we

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would like wrap up for the day, close the doors and in fight everyone

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over. We got like fifteen people
over playing playing Werewolves of Another Hollow.

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And this is what I didn't think
you guys would be into it. My

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god, these guys were all like, you know, they're poets and musicians.

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Is real cool guys. We loved
it. Was right up. I

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listen. I learned a lot about
you guys that with those sessions. And

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you know, a couple of years
later, I've got a board game.

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Sheol, that looks like the one
behind me. Yeah, that's probably really

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how like we had known each other, we had been acquaintances, I would

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say, But that's probably our friendship
began was it was probably around and then

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that also morphed into we would go
out for karaoke on Tuesday nights, and

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then after karaoke sometimes we would go
back to my house and play board games,

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or we would have board game nights
if if for whatever reason, board

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games did a lot for our group. Yeah, and it's cheaper than going

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out to the bar, because we
were all in our twenties set at that

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point, so way cheaper to buy
a six pack and play some board games

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then to go out to a bar
and I'm going to replay the part where

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you say it's cheaper to play board
games and go to bar. I'm just

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gonna have that audio sample ready to
go every time I buy a new game,

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get another game. But yeah,
we should, we can put that

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out as a single on Spotify people. But again, she's always just like,

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oh, you bought another game,
let's play. Yeah. She does

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not discourage me. You can,
they don't need it. Yeah. And

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more recently, one of the things
we've been doing, because it is really

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hard to get any number of adults
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recently was you guys coming over to
play board games with me in My wife

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so still into board games, but
got into Dungeons and Dragons in just looked

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it up February of twenty nineteen,
So coming up on five years, my

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then thirteen year old son, my
oldest son, wanted to you know,

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Dungeon Dragons became you know, the
fires were lit by strangers. Yeah,

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yeah, And he was part of
that wave of like, hey, I've

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heard about this game, I want
to know more. And I don't even

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think he had watched Stranger Things at
that point. Maybe he did at his

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mother's house probably not out of my
house. I probab wouldn't let my thirteen

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year old watch Stranger Things at that
time. But yeah, so he got

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into it. Had nobody to play
with, so that meant Dad had to

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you know, figure it out.
And lucky enough, had a couple of

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mutual friends of ours that were Walter
and Nathan that were into Dungeon's Dragons,

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So we started a game with our
families and Walter and so got into it.

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There played fan Delver the starter set
for the five y far starter set

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YEP. That was one of the
few games I've played in as a player,

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and then quickly became a DM because
my thirteen year old was not going

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to do the work is designed to
trap new players. Yeah, and it

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gotcha, it really did. Yeah, And I quickly got into the hobby.

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That's how I got into listening to
actual Plaque podcasts because I was like,

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well, like I couldn't before I
played, I couldn't really get a

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handle on like how exactly it worked. And I'm one of those people that

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when I start something, I like
research it a lot, and so that

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was part of my research was like, well, let me like I need

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to hear like how it works,
like what the DM saying, what the

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player's doing, how they're rolling dice, stuff like that. So I started

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listening to this one really small Dungeon
and Dragon's actual play podcast. It's like

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a bunch of voice actors that play
it's really yeah, I don't think it's

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not real big. Nobody on the
show is afterwards very long episode, but

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in very long the arcs, the
campaigns last hundreds of episodes. But SO

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got into that, and I was
also listening to Curmudgeons and Dragons. I

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actually really loved Budget and Dragons.
That was my favorite not actual play show.

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What a very few of that very
few because they said there was going

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to be a new Curmudgeons and Dragtions
episode. Wh Joe was a legit fan

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of that show and that we always
appreciated that, especially because I was the

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one time that I knew that you
weren't just blown a smoke of my asspelt

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about like in the show. We
had an episode we talked about how much

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00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:34.279
I hate shopping episodes, and I
said that, like, I really just

410
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:37.279
wish someone just like set up a
drive through, let me just pull up

411
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.240
say the things I want, throw
gold and walk out my plus one weapon,

412
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.960
and then the next session he had
a walk up window at one of

413
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.279
the shops really kind of just for
me. Oh that was great. One

414
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.000
of my favorite things to do was
to surprise and delight Jason and I things

415
00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.960
that's fun And there was a menu
and a little like door with a slid

416
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.839
out there. I was like,
which want like a better act gold if

417
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.559
I threw gold at him? And
I walked that with a with my plus

418
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:07.960
one shopping. I do agree with
you to a degree that shopping can be

419
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.960
a chore, especially because players want
to shop and then they're like, well

420
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:12.839
what do you have and it's like, what do you need? It?

421
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:18.160
Like, they all have the same
thing, right, you don't need a

422
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.279
menu. On my list of episodes
that I want to do for this show,

423
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.960
how to make better shopping episodes?
Is I on the list? So

424
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.240
so let's save it for I think
we did it though. Yeah that's all

425
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:32.680
episode, Okay, wrap it up. Anything else to the specific show,

426
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.680
no, just gaming specific lines of
fan over. I would say that really

427
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.599
got me to fall in love with
the hobby, and then I kind of

428
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:42.359
quick trip down the rabbit hole.
Before that, I just beer, but

429
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:47.240
that's harder to bring into apartments and
stuff. So it's exclusively five E.

430
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.200
Right, it's your whole D D
thing, right, that's my whole thing.

431
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.039
Okay, yeah, yeah, so
I think that I like to think

432
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:56.160
that's what I'm going to bring this
podcast. This is my only experience being

433
00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.240
five oh. No, it's good
they have for players, longtime players,

434
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.920
you know, a mix is a
good thing. And like I guess I

435
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.359
technically played Twoey a little bit,
but like I'm not going to count my

436
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.119
middle school lunch table as playing two
E oh, you absolutely should count that.

437
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.039
I don't think I should. I
think you should because it's wide,

438
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.559
like that was your initial contact with
the hobby. Yes, it's my initial

439
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.359
contact, and it means something,
it's meaningful. We played D and D

440
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:22.960
at the lunch sadle. I did
not play to E. We did not

441
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.759
play it that was supposed to.
But that's your introduction to the role playing

442
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:32.440
games. And absolutely I don't think
that probably and I would definitely take that

443
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:33.319
as I start to D and D. But like, as far as like

444
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.799
counting editions that I played, I
can't count to never read a book,

445
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.279
never read really anything. So as
far as I like knowing the actual mechanics

446
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.279
of the game. By these all
I really have experience with and I've read

447
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.960
other things I own. I just
like collecting previous editions books, so I

448
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.680
have the course set for I think
every edition now. So like if I

449
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.920
asked you about the Facco you wouldn't. That was the one thing I do

450
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.119
remember. Actually a second edition,
my friend, you know what that I

451
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.519
know Baco though from OSR because I
have PLATOSR. There you go, yes,

452
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.720
yeah, so I'm sorry, so
earlydiship that I actually do remember.

453
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.000
That's then you know second edition.
If you know that you need the Faco

454
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:12.000
table, that you know second Okay, so we got the whole thing.

455
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:18.160
That's the whole thing. Hello Adventurers, just stepping in here to remind you

456
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.519
guys that we're actively looking for submissions
for our Hello DMS episode that gets recorded

457
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.880
every month. Send us your burning
D and D questions the Helloadventurers podcast at

458
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:33.279
gmail dot com, or send us
a voicemail by visiting Hello Adventurers podcast dot

459
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.440
com slash voice. Don't forget to
begin your message with Hello DMS. You

460
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.240
can't wait to get your questions and
talk about them on the show. Send

461
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.799
us your questions today. That's Helloadventurers
podcast at gmail dot com poorly the voice

462
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.960
going at Hello Adventurers podcast dot com
slash voice. Now let's get back to

463
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:57.759
the show. So that's our that's
our podcasting background, that is our gaming

464
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:03.079
background. I got the section titled
as fun fact, this is just anything

465
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.400
you want people to know about you. So for example, we'll just we'll

466
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.680
just get the quick overview. I
am, I have a I got two

467
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:15.200
brothers. I've my partner Kara of
seventeen years. We are engaged. We

468
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.599
were supposed to get married or we
were gimming for last year. I spent

469
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.599
some time pretty sick, so what
we kind of backburned all that but planning

470
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.640
the wedding again. And if you
hear any barking in the background, that

471
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.559
is Davy Jones. He is the
resident dragon slayer. His favorite toy was

472
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.039
a dragon. It is now a
dragon skin carcass that he does wear on

473
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.480
his face like leather face, and
it disturbs me. He's he's small and

474
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.039
adorabone for any of my favorite uh
being called Emerson Wolf in the Wishbones.

475
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.880
By the time this episode comes out, the EP called not a Good Woman

476
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.920
will be available on Spotify. Would
love it if you give that a listening,

477
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.759
if you like modern Americana music.
Otherwise, I'm a sagittarius and I

478
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.160
can't stand the beach, so don't
go. Don't take me on a long

479
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:03.559
I don't like long walks or the
beach, despite living literally five minutes away

480
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.240
from the beach. I just it's
just not my I like couches, comfortable

481
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.680
couches, right, nice, Yeah, I love short walks to the couch.

482
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:11.400
Joe, what do you want people
to know about you? I am

483
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:17.440
a father of three. I mentioned
my oldest, who if you're doing math,

484
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.000
just turned eighteen this past year,
so and we still we That's like

485
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.039
what has kept us bonded too.
I will just mention to my other Dungeon

486
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:32.759
daddies out there, oh yeah that
you know, that's a great kept me

487
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:37.680
And yeah, I've never had that
typical Like my teenager won't talk to me

488
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.799
because the one thing that he would
always and will always talk to me about

489
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.839
is Dungeon Dragons and the game that
he's playing. And at like thirteen to

490
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.319
seventeen age, like you, No, I don't have kids out but like

491
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:51.680
as a former thirteen to seventeen year
old boy. The only thing that happened

492
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.599
was that we place ever games now
sure, which is in some ways is

493
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.839
probably a good thing. I would
have moved heaven on earth to have my

494
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.640
dad give even a single ship about
D n D. Yeah. It was

495
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.480
not just yeah, yeah, that's
that's that's what You're incredibly lucky. Yeah,

496
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.559
my dad was full satanic panic in
the eighties. So D and D

497
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.559
D and D was blocked in my
house. I woke up one day to

498
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.319
the my board game Sholf was missing
the Ouiji board. Yeah, it was.

499
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.480
He was full satanic panic, and
I'm pretty sure he still is.

500
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.920
But uh, he's supportive and everything
else I do. He's got some he's

501
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.039
got some ideas that got it that
needs rewiring. No, there was none

502
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.480
of that. It's just not like
just he just had no idea what the

503
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.000
deal with it was. It was
you know, it wasn't sports or woodworking

504
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.279
or anything like that. So right, not only is it like not even

505
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.880
seen as nerdy now, but even
if it is nerdy's fine now yeah it's

506
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.559
nerdy's hot, it's just another yeah, like it's just another interest. Yeah.

507
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.000
Yeah. And on the on the
grand scheme, of things that teenage

508
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.880
boys are into, as far as
as far as my TikTok feed look looks

509
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.440
like tame. Yeah, yeah,
thank god. That was part of it

510
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.279
too, is like, Dad,
I want the new Dungeons and Dragons,

511
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.960
you know starter set, And I
was like god, like thank god and

512
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:06.680
no offense, Jason. I was
just really happy it wasn't Pokemon. It's

513
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.480
just never. I've never That's the
thing that I don't understand, is like

514
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:14.799
Pokemon, and now my eight year
old loves Pokemon, so it's not.

515
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.000
But he also really likes Dungeons Dragons. He begs me story. He has

516
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.599
come up with monsters, he made
his own monster manual with pictures, he's

517
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.519
made maps, and he's like,
can you use this in your next Dungeons

518
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.920
and Dragons game? And we play
a loose version of Dungeons and Dragons where

519
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:34.920
I'm the DM, but really he's
the DM and the player and the main

520
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.440
character and all the villains. So
I'll be like, oh, the dragon

521
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.039
does this, and he's like,
no, that's not what happens, and

522
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.839
then he tells me what happened,
so it's yeah, it's a good it's

523
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.680
a good time playing his game.
I love to play with him. He

524
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.839
rolls awesome. My favorite kids.
So if you meet someone teaching me about

525
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.200
Pokemon so you don't have to hear
about it for just to fight you over.

526
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.599
Yeah. Yeah, so that and
then a two year old who's just

527
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.559
a terror. I base a lot
of home brewed monsters on there. There's

528
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.759
this particular ooze monster that I haven't
revealed yet. Is that why the screaming

529
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:14.440
banter last week? But yeah,
I mean that's it. I worked for

530
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:21.160
an internet car company. It's not
really anything to write home about, or

531
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.759
would I want to. It pays
the bills and pays for Dungeon Dragons,

532
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:29.920
books and other things. Uh.
We are a Disney family, I will

533
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.160
throw that out there. We are
likes to We did get married in Disney

534
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.359
World. I tried very hard to
go and I feel awful that we like

535
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:42.480
to live in a fantasy world sometimes. Yeah, as adults. Nothing wrong

536
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.039
with that, no's do anything.
Yeah. So let's see, I am

537
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:50.119
left handed. I just noticed that
for the first time. Yes, yeah,

538
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.599
oh yeah, because I guess you
don't normally see me writing, so

539
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.880
yes, yeah, okay, next
to you and I have that thing where

540
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.640
I do one handed things. Left
handed, but two handed things right handed.

541
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.119
It's like bat right handed and stuff
like that. So you know,

542
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.640
I don't know a few people like
that. My father does that, yeah,

543
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.839
because and that's why I do it, is because that's how my dad

544
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.559
did it too, So but left
handed. I've been a vegetarian since the

545
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:16.159
age of twenty one, so that's
thirty something years, and I've been married

546
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:22.039
to my wife, Shannon for twenty
five ish years. We're we are we

547
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.039
are happily child free. People that
want kids, they should have any shuive

548
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:28.800
as many as they want. That's
not us. And she does a lot

549
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.559
of traveling with the kind of international
education job that she has, and I

550
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:37.880
have to keep insisting to people that
she's not an international superspy why she is

551
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:43.239
the one ways tell people that's not
true always, you know, can't jet

552
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.440
setting all around the world and stuff
like that. So if you're required to

553
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.320
tell people that, Germans just wink
at me once it's a podcast. They

554
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.360
can't see you doing, okay,
yeah, all right, okay, all

555
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.480
right, and yeah, and I
mean, and you know, like if

556
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.920
I were to self identify, it
would be as a gamer, as a

557
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.880
role playing gamer. That's the main
hobby that I do. And you know,

558
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.880
like I said, I love D
and D. I love all those

559
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.639
other games that I play. Lifelong
interest in comics as well as you know,

560
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.400
role playing games. That's the other
thing that kind of is my you

561
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.599
know, my main thing. But
I guess pop culture wise, like if

562
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.519
I went to the Desert Island and
I could take one thing with me,

563
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.599
Star Trek, that's what it would
be. So yeah, you and my

564
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.920
wife. My wife really loves Start
Father was a big trick, yet I

565
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.360
never got into it. Shannon.
Shannon and I just started to rewatch the

566
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.840
original series, so we're going,
you know, working our way through the

567
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.599
Kirk's Bach McCloy nice episodes right now. Very cool, and last section I

568
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.760
have here is just our favorite D
and D stuff we did. We talked

569
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.280
a lot about our D and D
backgrounds and our D and D preferences.

570
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.480
So just give you an example.
I'll read off my little notes here.

571
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:50.480
While I absolutely love dming and I
will do it any chance that somebody asked

572
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.840
me to do it. I do
DM for our friendly local game store.

573
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:57.559
I do one shots at home.
We're recording this early in January twenty twenty

574
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.119
four on New Year's Day. So
I mentioned I a concert already engineer.

575
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:05.039
I have the entire production team over
here at this table we're sitting at right

576
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.039
now playing a one shot that I
wrote. A lot of them as her

577
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.199
first time playing. Half of them
is their second time playing. Their first

578
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.440
time was playing with me last year. And so I do love DM.

579
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.440
I love getting new players into the
hobby. I if I'm going to DM,

580
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.119
I want to give someone their first
experience and make sure that it's a

581
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.840
positive one and that they will continue. This is something I just see too

582
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:29.960
often when they have bad experiences the
first time, and you know, someone

583
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:31.480
expects them already know all the rules
and they won't hold their hand at all,

584
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.679
and or worse, holds her hand
too much and doesn't let them feel

585
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:39.760
consequences. I love killing one experienced
player her one shot just to teach the

586
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.000
new players what's up. Sometimes I'll
have a ringer, like a reverse ringer,

587
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.039
sit in the game, someone who
knows the rules just enough to just

588
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:50.400
instill a little bit of chaos,
just to let the new players know,

589
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.559
Oh, we don't have to like
be on the rails. We can be

590
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.119
a little we can be a little
silly in this game. Yeah, and

591
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:59.320
then I will kill that player.
Oh, we shouldn't be too silly.

592
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.840
He just too silly. He died
of he came down the bad case of

593
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.559
silly goose. But while I absolutely
loved them, I do prefer to play

594
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.679
if there's something cool about like there's
it might be fifty to fifty for me

595
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.039
at this point, because like there's
something about like being in control of the

596
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.760
world and again giving players that experience, and like I love hosting. I

597
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.360
love having people over to the house. We were recording this podcast in my

598
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.199
house. We had D and D
night at my house last night. When

599
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.119
we were looking for a new places
to live. Can I host people here?

600
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.079
Was a huge factor, and so
I like giving people an experience.

601
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.559
This is why I'm the one that
owns all the board games, because I

602
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.280
want to be like, hey,
guys, I've got stuff to do.

603
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.599
Come over. Make me feel like
I have friends, and but being allowed

604
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:47.320
to not worry about that and like
react to the world and part of the

605
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.199
story being a player is awesome.
And I have listed here that I prefer

606
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.119
to play. I kind of I'm
more fifty to fifty to these points these

607
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:57.400
days, And as long as we're
playing. As long as we're all together

608
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.000
and as long as we are creating
stories together, this is what I want

609
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.400
to be doing with my time.
As far as like favorite stuff to play,

610
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.760
this is you can tell a lot
about a person by what they prefer

611
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.480
to play as I've played a couple
of dragon Barns now and they're just fun.

612
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.519
Between the breath weapon and like depending
on how the DM spins the story,

613
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.760
maybe the maybe the common folk are
definitely afraid of you and like you

614
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.360
start, like you know, you
don't even get to try to make charisma

615
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.559
checks and stuff because they're just going
to run away. I've had a blast

616
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:28.400
playing some playing some dragon borns.
I had a dragon Born Blade Singer that

617
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.320
I played in a friends actually on
D and D four or four when I

618
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.960
guessed it. As a player,
still to this day my favorite character.

619
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.159
And as a player, I am
way more story driven than Luke driven.

620
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:42.960
And this is something that I just
from the shows that I've been listening to,

621
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.920
stuff like that pod and and shows
like that. We're like like,

622
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.559
yeah, the game magic, I
will get stuff, but like it's not

623
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:51.079
like Okay, kill kill a bad
guy, lout his body, kill a

624
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:52.559
bad guy. Glut his body,
check every corner of the room. That

625
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.320
stuff bores me to the point where, like, you've had a point a

626
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.079
couple points in the game that we're
playing, Joe, Oh you guys miss

627
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:00.239
this. I'm like, I wasn't
even looking for stuff. I just want

628
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.880
to I want to move the story
forward yet, And I will say that

629
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.760
our game isn't real. It's not
loot heavy, yeah, as much,

630
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:14.519
but also yeah, our players don't
look for it like they're not like immediately

631
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.559
they're looking for hidden doors a lot, like a lot. I didn't I

632
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.000
haven't had that many hidden doors,
but yeah, he gave us one,

633
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.440
and that's just that was your mistaken
Yeah, that's where I went. But

634
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:29.239
I'd much rather move the story forward
and find a cool plot. Yeah,

635
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.119
if we are going to find a
magic item, I'd rather be organic and

636
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.760
not because we look behind a desk. And that's in my one shots in

637
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.800
Linelane longer stories too. But but
dming for the game store, I realize

638
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:45.159
just how loot hungry new players are, Like they're they're in it for the

639
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:45.639
goal. I'm like, you know, you know you don't get to take

640
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:50.440
it home right right, Like it's
not real Gold. So so that's that's

641
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:52.519
who I am as a player,
as a DM, the types of players

642
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.760
and the types of characters that I
love to invite to the table. Bards

643
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:01.159
obviously, I will have an oops
all Bard's campaign, Apoly and every player

644
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.320
because I've not had the the quintessential
horny Bard at my table yet, and

645
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.679
like dreading someone like ruins bars for
me by doing that. But I've had

646
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:14.559
some really fun Bards at the table. And Druids are so fun to DM

647
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.760
for it, they have a thousand
options. Yeah, new players probably just

648
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.719
notapy druids. There's just so many
things to keep track of. Now do

649
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.079
you have yes, I'll put them
on the same tier. But like,

650
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.400
not only do you have like a
full ass spell as, you have a

651
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.239
full ass wild shape list, And
there's just so many things to keep track

652
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.320
of. And as a DM,
I love keeping track of stuff. I'm

653
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.880
good at it. So yeah,
bring your Bards, bring your Druids.

654
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.079
I will happily DM you. I
know we covered a lot of that in

655
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.639
our Gamon backgrounds, but anything when
it adds to D and D specific I

656
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.519
mean for me. Yeah, So, like I said before, my favorite

657
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.920
edition of D and D was sport. That was the one I had the

658
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:53.679
most fun playing. I think the
best D indie book WATSI has ever published

659
00:40:54.119 --> 00:41:00.559
was the fourth edition under Dark Book, which is amazing, just the campaign

660
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.360
stuff that they have in there and
the like bonkers ideas they have for crazy

661
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.719
stuff that can happen in the underdark. That is an amazing book. That's

662
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.920
like my favorite, just like I'll
just mind that book for ideas for whatever

663
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.199
kind of fantasy game I'm going to
be running. My favorite setting for D

664
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.639
and D is Ebron. Ebron's the
you know, most interesting to me.

665
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:22.880
I would totally be down for playing
in a game of you know, any

666
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.679
Ebron game. A lot of steampunk
in that, yes, Yeah. One

667
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.679
of the things I like about it
is that magic is a little more like

668
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:37.800
day to day in that like the
obvious things that people would use magic as

669
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.440
a substitute for technology, they go
ahead and do it in that game,

670
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.480
which is one of the things I
really like about it. And like,

671
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.280
I guess one of the things I
maybe should have mentioned in our talking about

672
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:53.440
our lives thing was that my degree
is in theater and specifically directing, So

673
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:59.039
I would much rather DM than play
because then I get to do all the

674
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.280
voices and all the NPCs and all
that kind of stuff. And I'm pretty

675
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.400
fast and loose with the numbers and
the hit points and stuff like that.

676
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.320
But I love populating it with interesting
characters. And that's just one of the

677
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.199
things I have a lot of fun
with is embodying all those NPCs and you

678
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.400
know, you're right down two or
three things that's unique teach of them.

679
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.880
And that's kind of my favorite part
of it. And you know why I

680
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.320
love running D and you know,
all those indie games I play. I

681
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:24.480
get a certain thing out of that. And it's funny because you were talking

682
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:30.440
about the like the loot thing.
I'm not loot driven, but I have

683
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.960
to say, like I played in
a store game, like after I had,

684
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.280
you know, kind of closed my
store in house, like I want

685
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.079
to just play some D and D
you know, week two week and see

686
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.599
how this goes. And I got
into a store game. It was not

687
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:46.159
a very good game, and in
particular, one of the things was that

688
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:52.440
the DM gave out nothing like no
loot. Like we went like three games

689
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.360
and we got like, you know, like twenty silver pieces or something like

690
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.360
that. And at the end of
that third game. I'm talking to Shannon

691
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.599
and I'm like, I can't believe
I'm pissed that I'm not getting gold in

692
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.039
this game. But like, if
I'm playing D and D, like it's

693
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.360
not the most important thing. But
at the end of three games, my

694
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:14.519
dragon born palette and better be able
to buy plate mail and oh yeah,

695
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.800
yeah, I need to get something. But like which one sounds sounds like

696
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:21.000
a better way to spend your night, Like you you stab a guy in

697
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:22.360
the face and you seal the one
hundred gold off of them where you steal

698
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.079
like a dagger off them, or
you didn't stab that guy in the face,

699
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.079
and now the entire kingdom's in danger, right, Like it's just so

700
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.880
much like give me something more interesting
than money, oh, or you know,

701
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.239
or you save that guy and his
family is so grateful they pay you

702
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.239
the hundred goal, Like that's the
other way to do it. But just

703
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.239
you know that the goal does help
you keep track of what's going on.

704
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.519
It's you know, it's kind of
the score. It's how many points you're

705
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.719
getting and stuff. And so if
you're gonna play D and D instead of

706
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.960
something more narrative or like one of
those you know, OSR games that you

707
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.320
were talking about. I want the
scorekeeper there. I want to know how

708
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:00.800
I'm doing it, so, you
know, And that's one of the like,

709
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.320
like if I feel like that,
if I want that, then I

710
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.320
want that out of D and D
and I want to make sure that my

711
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.360
players are doing that. But I
also definitely concur with the thing that you

712
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:15.079
said where it's the most fun to
run for new players and give them expectations

713
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.920
about like what they should demand out
of a D and D game that they

714
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.360
get in the future, Like if
it's not this good, walk away and

715
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.639
I try to set that bar,
you know, reasonably, so that's realistic,

716
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.599
but I want to set it.
I want to set it fairly high,

717
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.559
you know, when we get started. I'm finally giving people seven out

718
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.599
of tests. They can go find
a better deal, are there? Yeah,

719
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.039
and like, and there are so
many others that just do it bad

720
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.920
than I do, even within the
game store that I run that I run

721
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.440
stuff at because I play in some
of their games too. And there's one

722
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.440
actually, and it's actually Tony from
D and D four four. I play

723
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.320
in a bunch of his games,
and every time I finish up, my

724
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.360
god so much better at this than
I am. Why am I doing this

725
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.280
with it? That's how you learn
is if you're playing games with dms that

726
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.920
are better than you, you pick
up their tips and stuff like that,

727
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.679
and it's note, I picked up
a lot of tricks, and it's not

728
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.119
even necessarily that they're better, it's
just they're more experienced. Whatever I'm going

729
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.119
to I'm gonna have an easier time
running fifth edition game because for three years

730
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:13.400
I ran them every week in the
store, so you know, and that's

731
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.639
a certain amount of it is just
experienced, and that's totally fine. Best

732
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:22.519
classic D and D module s four
Lost Caverns of Sage Cans that's my favorite.

733
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.360
And the best die is the D
twelve, so that what there we

734
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:31.400
most delicious? Yeah, never had
a bad D twelve Joe. I think

735
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.760
the D D specific one and other
people know, sure, So I think

736
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:39.239
that I like. I love playing
the game, I really do. And

737
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:45.800
if I had to pick a class, it's probably a tie between a rogue

738
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:51.480
because rogues are just fun and sneaky
and great, or a really dumb Barbarian's

739
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.920
probably one of my favorite things,
especially from a role playing perspective. I

740
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:00.840
pretty much play the same dumb barbarian
every time I play who one you always

741
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.440
told me about? Oh man,
now I'm blameless? Yeah, cor and

742
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:10.039
Gar corn Guard, which is just
the Ragnarok letters of course, Coryngard the

743
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:14.840
Blameless and I played him, I
think in the os R game that I

744
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.840
played the first time, and that
one there was a dragon across like a

745
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.119
lake and everybody was really nervous and
corn Gar just threw an axe at it

746
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.119
and they were like no, and
I was like, drag just threw And

747
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.599
I really kind of just modeled him
after tracks from the Guardians of the Yeah.

748
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:35.480
So yeah, actually the perfect a
lot of fun to play, but

749
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.960
I think I do prefer dming And
basically one of the things that you said,

750
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:43.280
Jim, I get to fill this
world. One. I get to

751
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:47.719
have control and power over that world, which who doesn't love that? But

752
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.719
also I get to fill this world
with really interesting people. I get to

753
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:54.760
do all the voices, and so
I get to play corn Gar and a

754
00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:00.639
rogue and all these other people.
I get to give these people backstories that

755
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.239
you'll never know about because you'll never
ask. Probably the shopkeeper, you know,

756
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.920
something's happening with him. And I
love the fact that oh, somebody

757
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.679
just I just sold it this other
guy and the players could ask, like,

758
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.480
which way did he go? I
love the improv nature of this.

759
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:22.320
I don't have the time to prepare
every scenario, so we do end up

760
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:27.199
improving quite a bit, which is
fun for me. I like that amount

761
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:31.119
of nervousness improv and I know which
which way I wanted to swim? Yeah,

762
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:36.639
and my mood changes game to game. It does same. But I

763
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:42.039
like to examine tropes. I like
when our games examined tropes, and you

764
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:46.239
know, I like giving everybody a
Scottish accent. Apparently you do Scottish accent.

765
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.199
Well, not a lot of other
actions, well, but just that.

766
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.679
Yeah. The other part that I
really like about DMING is the ability.

767
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:58.199
And something I mentioned earlier was that
surprise and delight like when and it

768
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.239
happened not last night, the previous
session that we played though, and like

769
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.719
talking a little bit about the lore, and like people's eyes were like lighting

770
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.519
up. They're like, oh my
God, like they were so excited.

771
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.800
I forget exactly what it was,
but there was a surprise and delight moment

772
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.159
that occurred, and people are so
excited to have discovered you know this secret

773
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:22.320
passageway that you know, brought them
to this huge kind of arena that we

774
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.519
found ourselves in. I remember from
last night's session, once we got to

775
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.199
I don't know, I doubt that's
a big bad, but once we like

776
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.480
found the small bad and like started
like uncovering the next major part of the

777
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.920
plot point. Yeah, and like
you know, discussing it would not do

778
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.800
us any good on the show,
but like you know what I'm talking about,

779
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.840
But anytime you have the players like
just like uncover something and like you

780
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.639
know it's big and they don't know
what it is. Oh and the excitement

781
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:47.000
though, that was like so that
was the payoff for me, Like that

782
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:50.519
was the moment for me. How
excited you guys got about it. And

783
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:52.440
it was like an even out of
context, like oh, he has the

784
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.880
what appears to be a broken spirit
and I'm just like, oh what And

785
00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:00.920
he mentions the omega likes the omega. Oh, We've got we got to

786
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.480
figure this out. This sound this
sounds bigger than my characters' personal goals are

787
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:09.000
going home, But I think we've
been doing this long enough. That's who

788
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:12.719
we are. Hopefully that's enough for
you to kind of like, get an

789
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.880
idea of who we are as players
and dms and D and D content creators

790
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:21.480
and podcasters, and if you like
the kind of things that we like,

791
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:23.079
but we hope you stick around for
the ride. And that's that's kind of

792
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.280
my goal. For today's episode.
We're going to record a whole lot more

793
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.880
right now. We're going to get
into it now, and actually this is

794
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.559
being released. We have the schedule
for middle of February twenty twenty four.

795
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.239
Hopefully we stayed on schedule, and
we are releasing a couple episodes right on

796
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:37.639
day one. So if you like
what you hear so far, stick around,

797
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.639
get a couple more episodes. And
if you're listening, whether it's you're

798
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.239
catching us on launch day or if
you've heard about us down the line and

799
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.880
you're listening to us years down the
road. But we told you who we

800
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.079
are, I want to know who
you are. You can send us an

801
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.440
email to Hello Adventurers Podcast at gmail
dot com. Let us know who you

802
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.000
are as a player, what kind
of things do you like, and how

803
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.760
do you like the show? Is
there something you want us to talk about.

804
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:00.480
We want to make a show that
you want to listen to your open

805
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:05.960
to ideas. This is a roundtable
show and you are absolutely invited to sit

806
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:07.679
down with us, so get an
idea. What kind of stuff would we

807
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.719
talk about and if you have anything
any feedback, Hello Adventurers Podcast at gmail

808
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.840
dot com and we what up you
hear from you. Also, our voicemail

809
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.639
is wide open. We're gonna be
doing some episodes where we tackle some of

810
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.559
the issues that you guys want us
to tackle, so you can send a

811
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:28.199
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812
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.280
bring you to our voicemail page.
We are excited to get to the rest

813
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.239
of this show, so we're going
to pack in here. So thanks so

814
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.039
much for listening. But we are
your host, Jason Portiso, Joe McCall

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and Jim Crocker, Producer, engineer
and editor Jason Portiso. Music is by

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Nick Spurrier, artwork by Kristin Roderick. You sent questions and comments to Hello

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Adventurers Podcast at gmail dot com.
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