Drinking and Dungeon Crawling with Thomas Solar, founder of Dungeons 'N Drafts

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The podcast for role players and game
masters to help level up your game.

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We are your dungeon Masters. Jason
Portiso, I'm Joe McCall and Jim Crocker.

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We got our first guest on the
show. I didn't really think this

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is going to be like the guest
having type of show. No, we

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know we're bringing people to tell their
stories and uh about how bad their games

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went or how good their games went. Well. Jim wanted to bring on

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like game designers and things like that, which is something we'll eventually get into.

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But ever since I got involved with
this group, I wanted to get

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the story of the group out there. And let's let's get a founder to

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to talk about Dungeons and Drafts.
So the the web is founder. The

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correct term is founders. So we
have the things that are near and dear

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to my heart Dungeons and Drafts,
founding and foundations founder of Dungeon and Drafts

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or Coke founder. I believe it, But I believe your wife is also

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a founder. But this is this
is Thomas Solard. Thomas, Welcome to

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the show. Hello adventures as well. Hi. Yeah, I hope ever

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again natural, Oh you're hired.
Yeah, that you just started something.

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It's gotta yeah, everything started giving
him the side. It's like, who

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are you done for? Here?
Right here? You're trying to replace with

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that. It's awesome to have you
on. And what's funny is that this

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is the first time you and I
have actually met or spoke to each other,

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not through email. When I messaged
you about DM ing four Dungeons and

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Drafts, you were like, yeah, I give everybody like a just a

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quickly phone call or a zoom call
for like a vibe check. But I'm

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busy this week, and then like
a month and a half goes by.

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We just never got around to it. That busy. That one week turned

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into busy two weeks turned into holy
crows like January February. Oh, don't

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I know it. Yeah, but
I've run a few games for Dungeon and

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Drafts at this point, and I
guess nobody called and complaints, So you

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know, I guess that's I couldn't
find a number. We can just title

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the episode check Joe did play in
one of the games that I ran.

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Yeah, like I said, I
could not find a number right to reach

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you. Well here he is,
all right, tell me yourself, tell

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them what a great job I did. Now, it was fine. It

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was fine. That's all we need. That's all we need is fine.

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So give us the quick version of
what Dungeon Drafts is. Let's sort okay,

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yeah, I mean it is our
best way to try to bring a

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community and people together and to make
DD as accessible as possible because growing up,

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I'm you know, into my mid
thirties now, and I have been

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trying so hard to play this game
for years and years and years, and

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for a game that's been around for
fifty years, it is incredibly difficult to

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get into it. You have to
know somebody. You have to know someone

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that is a dam You have to
see if that person's going to invite you

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to their house or are you going
to invite this potential stranger into Europe.

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Like, there's so many of these
hurdles and barriers that we created Dungeons and

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Drafts as a way to not only
bring people together check off that box,

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but also as a way to help
support local businesses, mainly breweries. Breweries

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are to me, a modern day
community hall. You can get married there,

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you have concerts, you have trivia, you have all these cool events.

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And I used to help at a
brewery in Orlando. I was a

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tap brew manager. I was one
of the brewers. And one of the

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most difficult things is trying to figure
out a way to bring people in on

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a slow Tuesday night. And you
can only do you can only do trivia

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or bingo, you know, these
same type of events so many times,

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so many times, So trying to
think of a way to bring people in

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on a slow night, while also
trying to think of a way where we

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could just make D and D that's
super accessible for people, where you could

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just jump in and play. You
don't have to have any experience. It's

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a laid back environment. You're in
a brewer, and why not have a

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beer while you're at it, have
a cider, have a cocktail. Because

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we go to distilleries, breweries,
crack beer bars, we go everywhere.

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Breweries are just some of the easiest
to work with. So they're the ones

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that reach out to us and say, hey, can you come on a

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slow Monday night. I definitely prefer
this to brewery yoga as well. That's

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right. Yeah, personally everywhere find
me a demographic that is not flexible.

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Yeah, there we go. So
what's interesting about Like, I'll just I'm

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just gonna say our our little host
group here, the three of us.

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So Jim is the most experienced of
us with gaming, specifically with playing since

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Distance first edition and owning game stores
and things like that, and because he's

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a little bit older, probably also
with beer. Oh I don't think he

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was a drinker though, but he's
still more experienced. Okay, sure,

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fine. My understanding though, is
that that you guys have made up for

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it with in terms of yes,
yeah, that's probably I'm not drinking for

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the thirty years that he's been legal
to do so versus the amount that you

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and I have. I am I
am like like like that older thing means

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my beer consumption has ramped down,
and you know that besely proportional to my

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age. So that's yeah. So
with Jim being very experiencing gaming, Joe

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has a background and brewing. You
were, you did sales, you did

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brewing, you did delivery, you
did a bunch of stuff for it all

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for a couple of dime and uh. And then I have a hobby level

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appreciation of both even just as a
podcaster. You know, we have I'll

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see this show and then Curmudgeons and
the Dragons before it, and while we're

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doing Curmudgeons, I was also hosting
a show called Flight in a Pint where

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we would record inside the breweries and
just talk about how great they were.

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So this this is something that like
this particular group, it's like, yeah,

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D and D inside breweries. Yeah, we're cool with that. Yeah,

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it's like right up our outlet.
Yeah. I'm definitely at the point

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where, like, I can't have
half a dozen beers in a night,

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so the one or two I have, I want them to be really good.

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Yes, right, So so like
it's all you know, I'm down

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with the whole craft beer phenomenon.
That's been a genuine miracle from the days

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when I was in college and you
know, like Rolling Rock was really good

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beer, right, you know,
if you got a Rolling Rock, everyone

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was like, whoa, you splurged
man like that. So this has been

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a you know, that's just been
a phenomenon. I've watched with, you

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know, with with kind of quiet
awe as this whole thing has exploded.

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So so I want to talk to
the difference between how a game goes down

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inside a brewery versus how a game
would go down like a game store.

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Those are those gonna be like GAMESO
is gonna be the the number one place

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you're gonna find a group of strangers
to play with. But now where we

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we're trying to meet, breweries being
like either the second option or possibly even

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the better option. So what kind
of differences between breweries and game stores have

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you found? I'd say the amount
of people that reach out before they come

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to an event. They ask,
Hey, I've tried doing this at a

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game store and it was super intimidating. So I hope it's okay that I'm

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new, and I hope it's okay
that I'm trying it. I went to

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this game store one time and everybody
knew what they were doing and it was

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super tough and I use the wrong
spell, and I just want to make

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sure it's okay that I'm new.
That's the type of atmosphere I've meant from,

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like the brewery and the game store
side, because I've tried like working

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with game stores as well, and
like, hey, we could host you

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know in your game store. We
could maybe get sponsored by a local brewery.

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I know obviously there's some laws behind
all of that, but like,

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what's the way that we could bring
all of us together type thing. But

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a lot of people that have tried
a game store and then they come to

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us, they say, oh man, it was just really intimidating when I

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went to a game store and there's
something I can see, there's something about

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it, and without social lubricant,
so that I'm not being at a brewery,

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and you know, the environment's different, and it's just so much more

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comfortable and relaxed, and you know, I can have a beer and I

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can eat, and I can just
chill and I could wait my turn and

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and and all these type of vibes
versus where when you are in a game

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store, it is this is the
focal point, this is this is we're

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we're here to play, and then
we go home. And then that it's

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in a name, you're it's it's
a game story. Yeah. Yeah.

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Doing it in a brewery, there's
all these other elements that I think make

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it a little bit more relaxing for
newer players, because we do get a

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ton of newer players, people that
you know, hey, I've heard about

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this for twenty years. I'm finally
going to get a chance to try it

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at my favorite brewery. I was
gonna say that has to be a part

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of it too, is that they're
not just newer players, the newer players

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of a certain age, right,
And so so that that age thing like

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that's important, especially as somebody that's
you know, nearing forty, I'm not

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necessarily going to want to sit at
the table with fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,

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eighteen, nineteen, twenty year olds, right, It's going to be

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a lot more and and honestly,
twenty one, twenty two, twenty three

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year olds aren't going to breweries.
That's really not the brewery crowd. More

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than likely, I'm going to run
into somebody closer to my age. Sure,

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that's going to have you know,
world exters. Yeah, that we're

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going to have We're gonna be able
to relate to each other, and I'm

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going to be more comfortable because that
person is also new to this, right,

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So it is a lot less Yeah, because I'll tell you, even

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as a nearly forty year old man, teenagers are mean. They're really they

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are really mean, especially these new
these this generation, these kids. You

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got your own, I got my
own. He's super made one. Yeah,

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that kid, that kid has cut
me to rib A tough crowd.

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I think as they have an earlier
access to Internet than we ever did growing

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up, so they've got they've learned
way better roads. They've been They've been

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on all the borrower yeah, yeah, all the burn websites, They've learned

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all the good ones. They know
how to ratio us. There's a massive

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difference between playing with twelve and fourteen
year olds, which is a lot of

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my tables at the game stores,
versus playing with mid thirty year olds,

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like my tables I think at the
breweries now. It is cool, especially

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if you're, like like Thoma said, if you're around our age and you've

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always wanted to it is intimidating to
play with the player teenagers now. You

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want to look like you know something
about the world, and like bumbling through

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a new hobby, is that when
you look the most vulnerable I mean,

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and I mean not to put too
fun a point on it. Also,

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like if you're the kind of person
who when you're hang out with a bunch

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of your friends and you're just sitting
around the table, you are inclined to

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like drop an F bomb here and
there, that is, you know,

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that's a thing you got to just
you got to monitor your behavior in that

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game store setting in a way that's
different than you do in a brewery.

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I think the other thing that definitely
is true about a brewery is that is

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a setting where it seems to me
it's a lot easier to drop in with

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like four or five of your friends, kind of with an already established friend

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group and say we're going to be
a table. It's a lot tougher to

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do at a game store, especially
because game stores tend to have I mean,

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even if they're advertised as one shot
events, you tend to have regulars

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that are coming every time and they
want to sit together, and so a

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lot of times at a game store, you know, and they're a wonderful

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thing. You know. I owned
game stores for many years, and I

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tried to make those events as welcome
as as welcoming as I could, but

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really, no kidding, a lot
of times, you know, you were

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looking around at the five tables and
going, Okay, that table's got a

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spot free, and you know,
no matter how cool we were about it

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and how welcoming and like, you
know, how much we impressed upon the

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gms that worked for us that we
needed them to make sure that they were

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inviting of new players you're still sitting
down probably at the table with a bunch

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of people that know each other,
and the much more casual setting of that.

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Brewer, I think, you know, that's a thing where you can

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show up with three or four of
your friends and you know they match you

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up. Thomas, you can tell
us exactly how it works. But I

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assume you know that you guys aren't
doing necessarily like you know, everybody signs

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up in advance and you have a
you know, like like we assign you

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to this table or anything like that, but it's a little more, a

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little more casual, Like I'm just
curious about that. Can you tell us

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how that works? Like table selection? And you know, can you know,

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can I show up with four of
my friends and we all get to

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sit together and play. Absolutely,
we totally advertise to whether you want to

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play by yourself. You're the solo
player and you're just looking for a night

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out to meet new people. We
have a lot of people to come out

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for a date night, which is
really fun. One partner is like really

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into D and D and they've been
dating for a long time and then they

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say, Hey, I can't wait
to show you this hobby of mine.

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Like, this is a big thing
for me, but yep, I never

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had a chance because I'm in the
middle of a campaign, so I can't

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just assert you in as a random
character for you know, episode fifty Hardy

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sure that's how yo goa oh no
broke up the people they were in a

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long term game a huge day.
So we do have a lot of people

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to come out for like a date
night, which is really really cool.

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And then we definitely had people buy
four, five, six tickets at once.

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We actually just had last month at
the International Bar in Philly, in

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Fishtown, we had a person buy
twelve tickets for her and her work friends

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and they all said, divvy us
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to play and like hang out with
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person, she had been coming to
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month, two months, three months, and she kept bringing in one extra

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friend, two extra friends, and
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order in and I looked at my
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do? They just bought twelve tickets. But she was very nice and she

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emailed us and we bring in another
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like, hey, I know,
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us up into two pairs of your
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four. We're happy to do whatever. We just love coming to your events

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and and I want to show my
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types of like dming, you know, styles and one shot adventures and stuff

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like that. That's how you know
you nailed it too. And like whatever

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DM like got her first, like
like make sure that they know that they

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that they created that experience for her, and you set off quite the domino

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effect that like I could have never
predicted that, like something that could have

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happened. So that's just such a
a surreal badass moment of Oh hey,

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babe, I think we did it, Like this is really cool. That's

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fantastic. As a DM who like
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this one, that would be my
absolute top compliment. Yeah, it's like,

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ye'all bring it twelve of my friends
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it, and that's a That's another
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of that story underlined is that we
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it welcoming. Specifically, to women
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women and girls that would play.
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of male coded spaces, right,
and they're you know that people think of

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it that way and just kind of
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Critical Role are making some inroads into
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hard. But for the most part
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young men, and you know,
and and and for the most part the

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women that were attending, we're spouses
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were regulars. That's but but those
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social spaces, and they're coded as
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where everybody, you know, everybody
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a it's a little more low key, you know, version of just a

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bar right, so that barrier,
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in their heads people think of,
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go. Yeah. Uh, And
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that gal bringing all of her work
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have you know, I would have
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that happened, but it never did. Just you know, and and we

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and us really neat to see that
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It's been really fun watching little checkpoints
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that that stigma or around just the
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Like that's it. It's just it's
the guys. You know, they're

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gonna go in their man cave and
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their beers. Like, oh man, this game is super fun for everybody.

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us too, Like it's so fun
making this game accessible. I keep throwing

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that word out there and it sounds
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We really want to make this is
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want to make it accessible to everyone. I don't care what's your race,

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your gender, your your background.
I want you to come have a fun

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night out, meet new people and
let go of reality a little bit.

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Because that's what originally got me to
D and d was man, my life

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is tough. I would love to
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a changeling sorcerer and just doing whatever
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my friends. So it's been really, really fun those little checkpoints throughout the

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past a year and a half,
those moments where oh, hey, babe,

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I think we did it. I
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So tell me about the victual process
of how someone signs up for a game

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and how they get assigned to DM. Yeah, we made a website Dungeons

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and Drafts dot com, Dungeons letter
n Drafts. You would find your location,

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find your ticket through there. There
are certain checkboxes that you have to

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check off before you could even put
the ticket in your cart. And there's

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common things. There's photo permission.
Hey, there could be photos taken at

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the at the event, we might
use them for social media. Hey,

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cancellation policy. Oh. Also,
here's a checkbox. All are welcome at

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a Dungeons and Drafts event. We
do not discriminate against race, religion,

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gender, ethnic background, or anything. And if you cross this line at

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any point, the DM has all
the right in the world to remove you

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from the table. So we put
that gate immediately there on the ticket.

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Because we have had people like email
and ask in the past of hey,

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is this something you look out for? Hey, have you ever had any

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problems at a table? Yeah?
Never, Because I I I trust,

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I lean into my dms with that
whole vibe check idea. I tell them

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the model, and I tell them
that this is an accessible, accepting thing

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for everybody. And so a lot
of dms as well. They'll even at

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the start of their session, they'll
introduce themselves and they'll even call it out

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as well and say, hey,
I do We're not going to tolerate any

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X y Z things. Yep,
I do that at my games, even

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at home with like with with new
friends coming by, pretty sure the first

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time. You never you never know
how far someone's going to take, you

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know when when when you're told the
rules are you could do whatever you want.

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You never know what direction someone's going
to take the name of r P,

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Yeah, I can do anything I
want. Well, hang on,

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okay, Yeah, that that safety
discussion at the beginning of the game.

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That's a big indie game community thing
where where you know, everybody make sure

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some of the games even like build
it into the rules to say before you

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start play talk about what you know, what's okay and not okay stuff.

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Again, that's that's fantastic about this. Yeah, we just thought about it

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was like an episode or two ago
where like it's actually at a at one

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of the games I ran, I
ran for you at at my at my

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friend's brewery. I opened up the
conversation with hey, money is Jason,

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I'm dmming for you a couple of
quick things, you know, some some

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of it was game stuff, and
then also while I have your attention.

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We are not tolerating any sort of
real world racism or bigotry, and like

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kind of go through my little list
and they looked at me like slack draw

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They're like, is that really a
thing? You have to see? The

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people? I'm like, oh,
oh, sweetheart, people are people are

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awful. Yes, I have to
say the summer child. Are you familiar

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with something called the internet? Yeah? I think I called the fifty year

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old man my speak summer child child. He's been he and his friend was

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signing up for every game since I
since I met them a couple of a

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couple months ago. They'd been great. From the ticket, the last check

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boark, the last old checkbox you
have to check off as a player is

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a question, what is your experience
playing D and D? And there's four

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options. Never played, some knowledge
played a long time ago and place regularly.

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So as soon as this ticket is
bought on our on on my end,

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and and the DM end, I
will get that information. I will

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see all right, Dave Simpson,
party of one, never played, Okay,

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cool. I'm gonna let the DM
know ahead of time, and then

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that way they can better cater that
one shot to them. A player doesn't

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really know who their DM is until
the night of the event. A player

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does have the chance when they're purchasing
a ticket. There is a yet another

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box for DM requests. So you
know, maybe it's a friend of yours.

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Maybe you've heard a lot of good
stuff about Jason and you really want

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to, you know, give Jason
a try as a DM. Okay,

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you can check a box and then
I'll see that on my end, and

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then I'll add a little note.
You know, Jason requested so this party

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not that game. Yeah, no
beardos. Yeah. So I will even

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say, like there's there is something
who if you worked with one DM the

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last time and you just want to
try something different, or like you style,

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or I just want to see what
everyone's got, there's there's nothing wrong

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with with having someone request against you. Yeah, variety. Variety is the

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spice of yes. However, I
will say that all my repeats have requested

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me. It is really cool watch
on the players. They definitely split themselves

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up, where some players all they
do is ask for the same DM over

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and over. They really enjoy that
one story, that one DM style,

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and then you have this other huge
group of players that are just like,

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nah, I've already had five of
these. I want that one new guy

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right right, that guy just joined
the team. I want him. And

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I'm like, okay, we be
nice to Will Okay, I want to

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ruin his day. Have like ten
of these events under your belt. Man,

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please be nice. I must break
you. It's gonna. I'm just

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gonna. I'm just gonna print out
the exact word of his silvery barbs and

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here we go. All right,
let's make him cry. Yeah right,

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yeah, welcome to touchits of dress. This is my this is my Ira

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Cochra monk who knows silvery barbs.
Don't ask how now he's your problem.

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But actually, you do recommend that
the dms come with pre generated characters,

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and we just kind of, you
know, fast track all of that part

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of this that here's some characters that
we know will work in this campaign,

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and we're not going to spend half
an hour or god, we're got bit

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more creating characters when that's time we
could be role playing. Yeah, especially

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because of the time constraint at a
Bird's a lot of places want us on

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a slow Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Okay, well, then that means

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those places are probably closing at around
nine o'clock. In order to try to

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get as many people as possible,
we're going to start the event at six

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pm. People get out around five
five thirty. Great, cool, all

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right, we're gonna start at six. Holy crap, you get three hours

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to pack in your one jot adventure
for probably six players. And some of

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these players might not have even ever
played. They don't even know what dice

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to roll. So in order to
make this we say plug and play event

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for both the brewery and the players. We do tell all of our dms

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come with as many pre made characters
as possible, just so the players have

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plenty of options. So it's it's
definitely been a learning as we grow type

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thing over the past year, but
that that's been a pretty crucial element is

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here's pre made characters some dms.
Here's you know, here they bring loaner

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dice, here's this, here's this. All right, let's jump into the

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adventure because we only have now two
and a half hours. You know,

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I did I did actually love that
in the one that I played I Jason

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dmd it. I did love that
I had the character sheet handed to me

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I got, I had a few
to pick from. I had all my

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spells were already on there. I
didn't have to like go through and make

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those. You know. I'm the
kind of person too if I'm at if

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i'm at McDonald's, it takes me
a while, Like I got to look

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at the menu. I don't just
get the ten piece every time, like

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maybe this time I'll try, you
know, the chicken. And this this

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really just it was like here,
here it is, this is what it

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is. There's there is no room
for you know editing this right? It

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was great. I love I'm I'm
sure to see other other dms like go

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bags like your d bug out bat
that's another episode. But uh and we

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we've done this on an earlier Curmudgeons
episode, and I would like to do

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this again with another year and a
half of d M a experience, but

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we did it. What's in Jason's
Bag episode and I'll give them the real

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quick version of specific to these events. My bag is designed for strangers to

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play with me. So I've got
a giant bag with I think forty sets

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of dice in them. Just grab
what you need plus plus my own dice,

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and I have a couple of pouches
of super cheap dice that I will

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happily give away if I if I
get a first time player who had a

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good time and does not have their
own dice, I would happily give that

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to them. I have ten characters
that I that I made all level three,

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and I'm just going to keep all
my campaigns at level three until I

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feel like making more. These are
laminated, so we can wipe the beer

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off of them and use dry and
use dry erase markers to keep the HP

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with the wing sauce and whatever.
Yeah, exactly, these things get dirty.

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They're already sticky. But I'm but
I can just win dex the down

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like a diner menu. I have
spell cars printed out. I might eventually

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laminate them, but right now they're
not. But they are color coded and

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and pay eclipped per character. So
now we've got the spell cars ready to

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go. Everyone gets dry erace marker. Everyone gets a pen. I have

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Hello, My name is tags.
That is for your character name, because

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00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.000
I don't know your name. I
don't I don't need to know your name

408
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.359
for your character. Is that a
tip you picked up from me? That

409
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:30.759
was absolutely yeah, yeah, that
was what I think we recorded that episode,

410
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.960
and then the next day or the
next days went to that game and

411
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:41.279
they had all you think I didn't
You think I didn't have the Amazon app

412
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.720
opened while we were recording. Come
on, that's fantastic. Yeah that was

413
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.599
that might have an episode I want
to say two or three. That was

414
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.200
a GM shopping list episode that was. That was a cool one. So

415
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.359
go back and listen to that if
you have them already. But yeah,

416
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.640
so the idea and and the other
the snap together hexagon oal dice trees I

417
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.519
bought. I bought a six pack
of them. They sit out in the

418
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.240
middle of the tab. So like
you walk in with nothing and now you've

419
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:04.960
got a character sheet, a marker, a pen, something to remind every

420
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.960
when your name is, you have
dice, a dice tray. The only

421
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.519
thing this left is your beer and
like you know, you buy that.

422
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:19.359
Yep. I did also make laminated
DM inspiration cards that I hand out physical

423
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:23.240
DM inspiration on and I encourage them
to try to earn it. And this

424
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:26.720
is part of my pregame speech.
It's like we are using DM inspiration today.

425
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.359
If your character does something that I
completely did not see coming, I

426
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.319
will absolutely give the inspiration for it. One player used speak with animals to

427
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:40.880
completely bypass a bully ug encounter and
like, like really like sold it that

428
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:42.279
we are not here to hurt you. And they were smart enough to figure

429
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:45.680
to believe her, So I gave
her inspiration for that. If you make

430
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:51.400
me genuinely laugh, I will give
an inspiration out freely. I will happily

431
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.000
give out. I would give more
inspiration than anyone ever needs. I will

432
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.640
basically like give to rap this campaign
for the players to steamroll me if we

433
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.039
all have a good time, If
you're making me laugh that much and you

434
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.559
have advantage on every role, I
don't care. And then you know,

435
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.400
this is something we'll talk about in
a second. We're there to support the

436
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:08.599
brewery. It's a slow night for
them. We want to push their sales.

437
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.960
You buy me a drink, I'll
get your inspiration. And I had

438
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:17.000
and I had one player abused that. Yeah, I was gonna say,

439
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:18.599
I don't know, I don't know
if this type of behavior is condoned by

440
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:25.480
dungeons and dress. I'm pretty sure
I sold six Sextra beers that night,

441
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:27.960
So that's great, six extra beers. I wasn't going to buy it.

442
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.680
We've absolutely had a handful of d
ms that are like, hey, is

443
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.440
it okay that like that the players
buy me a beer for inspiration? Hey

444
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.240
man, that's part of your DM
style. I give you the freedom to

445
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:42.880
DM however you want. Well,
I mean, but I mean the DM

446
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.279
guide is very specific that each table, you know, every DM can decide

447
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.880
their system for how they reward inspiration. So I mean that's not just you

448
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:59.720
know, that's cannon. Actually,
I think they actually suggest beers. In

449
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:07.880
top Tasha specifically talked about IPA.
What do you think is in her causure?

450
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:14.599
Yes, right there we go.
I've been a gigging musician for god

451
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.400
twenty years now, and like every
musician that I'm friends with, and I'm

452
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.599
a sound engineer for for concert halls
too, so like every new musician that

453
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.279
comes through, like how do you
how do we do this? Like how

454
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.799
do how do you actually like support
yourself doing this? Like you're looking at

455
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:32.160
this the wrong way. But don't
forget why we're here. We are not

456
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.119
here to play music, just like
we are not here specifically to play Dungeon

457
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.640
and Dragons. We are here because
we are alcohol salesmen. We are here

458
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.240
to push the products. Yeah,
and like we we get to continue doing

459
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.279
this over and over again if we
are good salesman and like, yeah we're

460
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.359
here to play a game, and
yeah, I'm here to play some songs.

461
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.640
But like, that doesn't continue to
happen if the venue that is allowing

462
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.480
us to use our space isn't also
profiting from it. So like when I

463
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.480
changed how I looked at like playing
in and stuff, I made my set

464
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.480
list a lot safer instead of playing
the songs I wanted to. I've played

465
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.160
the songs and made money. I
made more money too, and and and

466
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.279
and playing games like this. Okay, if we can push more sales,

467
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.720
but we can do it in a
fun way exactly then that that that brewery

468
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.960
is gonna invite us back and we
get to play more game. Yes,

469
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.039
it's it's a it's a super fun
and relaxed way. I do say it

470
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.400
out loud every time alcohol does bring
up. To be a DM, you

471
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.519
do not have to drink. I
have absolute plenty of dms that have asked

472
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.039
in the in the vibe checks and
in wanting to join. They let me

473
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.519
know, hey, I've been sober
for eight years. I hope that's okay,

474
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.440
and I go holy crap, are
you gonna be okay, Like that's

475
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.279
insane brass to you. But in
most of these you don't miss these.

476
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.480
Yeah, you don't have to drink
even as a player, you don't have

477
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.359
to drink anything. I just make
it abundantly clear that, hey, if

478
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.240
a brewery sees a table full of
water and diet coke, they have no

479
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.279
reason to invite us back. So
well, we need to buy something from

480
00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:00.079
them, whether it is food,
whether it is beer, whether it is

481
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.319
merch. We need to support this
local business for giving us a table for

482
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.799
three to four hours when other paying
customers could have taken it, or multiple

483
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.599
tables take up their whole space.
Yeah, and most of these breweries now

484
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.319
have some kind of like fancy ass
root beer that they're brewing in house,

485
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.000
or you know, they're the Spoke
Colas or something like that. You know,

486
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:26.119
there there's plenty of options fun year
for NA drinkers. Lots of breweries

487
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.519
are starting to put on tap lots
of NA options, which is really really

488
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.759
cool, or mocktail and hop water, which is just like not the not

489
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:38.880
yeah, like not only cop sell
strong, not hoped strong selters, but

490
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:45.599
like hop water where it's it's a
non alcoholic pop selter essentially. Yeah,

491
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.200
seltzers are easy. I've seen some
root beers and birch beers and things like

492
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.680
that. But yeah, absolutely,
that's and that's that's something that you know,

493
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.039
I am a casual drinker. I
forget about that sometimes, but you

494
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.160
know, again, being a musician
for as long as they have a lot

495
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:04.440
of my friends are former drinkers,
what pool say, or decidedly not drinkers.

496
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.960
A few friends, that guy I'm
very close friends with in his early

497
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.039
forties, He's like, I'm in
my forties. I don't drink. I

498
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.920
don't drink coffee. Is that a
teetotaler? I don't think he drinks tea.

499
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.799
He doesn't do calendar caffeine or alcohol. I don't think you have to

500
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.839
drink tea to be a tea totaler. But he's like, he's like,

501
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:22.759
literally, how do I make friends? Right? I don't know if I'm

502
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:28.640
not going to coffee shops or bars? Literally, how do I make friends?

503
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:30.759
So you could possibly play D and
D com there. You don't have

504
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.599
to drink. You just just hang
out in your neighborhood. See if anybody

505
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.000
wants to play Manhunt. That's how
I'm pretty sure I did. For if

506
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:44.160
drinks coffee or teas, that's a
lot less creepy when you're eight. Yeah,

507
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.680
there you go. So somebody wants
to get involved in Dungeon of drass

508
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:51.960
as a dungeon master, how would
they go about that? Best place to

509
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.359
start go to the website. We
do have a little tab that says becoming

510
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:59.319
a d M, and there's right
off the bat a ton of the information

511
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.759
that I already told talked about,
but I try to be transparent and put

512
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.880
that info out there as as kind
of obvious as possible that like, hey,

513
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.880
we're looking for dms that are kind
comfortable, patient with new players while

514
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.799
still being able to challenge experience players. There's all these cool bullet points on

515
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.519
what we look for. And if
at the end of that wall of techs

516
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.799
you the DM, the potential DM
says, man, I'm really interested.

517
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:27.160
Great. There's an email at the
bottom and that just goes directly to my

518
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:31.160
inbox and from there we strike up
the conversation and then I get to know

519
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:36.720
what area are you in. Dungeons
and Drafts is currently in Philadelphia, New

520
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:40.680
Jersey, New York City, Delaware, Pittsburgh, Knoxville, Ashville. We

521
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.319
will be opening in Durham very soon, and then over the summer we're looking

522
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:50.519
to open in Hartford, Connecticut.
Really really cool that one of our players

523
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.920
from New York City, he's been
a big fan for a long time,

524
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:57.559
been playing in New York City and
he's moving to Hartford. So he asked,

525
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.240
can you make a Dungeons and Drafts
guild and Hartford. I'd love to

526
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.000
meet new people up in Hartford,
where my wife and I are moving.

527
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.119
And I said, yeah, absolutely, let's you know, talk over the

528
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.960
summer and and kind of go from
there. But yeah, the best way

529
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.440
for a DM to get involved would
be going to the website, finding the

530
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.360
little tab that says becoming a DM, reading the wall of text, and

531
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.760
then just sending me an email.
So it sounds like if we were somewhere,

532
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.920
like hypothetically kind of within roughly within
that area, but in a city

533
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.239
that you know doesn't have a Dungeon
draft set up yet, that getting in

534
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.360
touch with you to make a pitch
sounds like something you'd be recepted. Absolutely.

535
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:42.840
It's what happened in Durham. There
was a very enthusiastic DM that was

536
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.800
down there and saw what was happening
in Asheville and went man, that's really

537
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.920
cool. Can you do that?
So, like, can you do that

538
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.800
over the ear in Durham? Yeah? Yeah, So like hypothetically, if

539
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.199
there was somebody enthusiastic with a lot
of experiences that had recently moved to the

540
00:34:54.280 --> 00:35:00.000
Washington, DC area, saying,
you know it might Yeah, funny enough,

541
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.719
I have absolutely been eyeing d C
in Baltimore as as an area I

542
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.199
already made. Whenever I make a
new location in order to help me stay

543
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.679
organized, I do have specific emails
to that area. So within the last

544
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.719
week I did actually make a DC
at Dungeons and Drafts, and I made

545
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:24.480
Baltimore at So you and I could
definitely sidebar at some point. Yeah.

546
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:28.119
Yeah, since you're down there too, you might as well just do Dungeons

547
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:35.079
and waffle House. Come on down
for exant drive. Yeah, probably,

548
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:42.239
I'm probably going to Maryland. What
you do for that? That's such kind

549
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:44.920
of how how I got involved,
because yes, you are active in New

550
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.280
Jersey. It seems to be a
lot of North Jersey and the western side

551
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.239
of South Jersey, which is which
is basically the the the outer Philly area.

552
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:53.880
So that makes a lot of sense
for you being Philly based yourself.

553
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:59.360
Right, you're in Philly yourself.
Yeah, okay, so so hitting that

554
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.159
part of like south southern and western
New Jersey makes a lot of sense.

555
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:05.639
And the North Jersey there's just a
lot going on. Plus you're New York.

556
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:07.880
People can come over there and here
I am in the Shore area and

557
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.440
there's a wide open spot there.
I'm like, here, listen. And

558
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.480
that was how we started our conversation. I'm like, listen, I have

559
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:19.639
friends who owned breweries in this area
that would love this. Let's talk.

560
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:23.000
Yeah. Absolutely. We started this
in Philadelphia. We started it in the

561
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.840
city. It slowly grew outside into
the suburbs, and then all of a

562
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.960
sudden we started getting emails and messages
from locations in New Jersey and they would

563
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.360
ask, Hey, we're like ten
minutes across like the river, could you

564
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.320
just come to D and D over
here? And I went, well,

565
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.119
yeah, that makes sense. I'm
driving forty five minutes over to King of

566
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.559
Prussia. Why not just go ten
fifteen minutes over to Jersey and start offering

567
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:51.920
D and D. And then that's
when this whole idea. Talking to my

568
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.039
awesome, badass wife about what if
we started expanding and making these guilds and

569
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.719
specific areas. Because the more we
grew in that Jersey area, the more

570
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.760
people in Jersey asked, hey,
can we just get like our own schedule

571
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.840
because you're lobbing us in with the
Philly you know schedule, which makes sense,

572
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.760
that's where you started, But I
just want to see where the New

573
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.760
Jersey locations are. And so we
started that natural progression into South Jersey,

574
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.079
and then all of a sudden we
started getting interest from North Jersey locations reaching

575
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:28.039
out and asking us North Jersey players
and dms and people that again would see

576
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.480
the instagram or advertisements and go,
well, I want to be part of

577
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.840
that, but I'm not driving an
hour and a half to South Jersey.

578
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.159
Yeah. So I'm stoked to keep
learning and growing in Jersey, in New

579
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.440
York and all these places where,
yes, we do have the New Jersey

580
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.960
Guild, but we are absolutely missing
a crucial part of Jersey, which is

581
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:50.800
the shore. So we put out
a post not too long ago, I

582
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.639
think like a week or two weeks
ago where on the New Jersey's Instagram I

583
00:37:53.679 --> 00:38:00.000
specifically asked looking for dungeon masters.
This is a big state with a lot

584
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.920
lot of places to cover. A
lot of our dms can't make it to

585
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.000
all these locations that really want us
and these players want us. So we

586
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:14.360
are absolutely LFDM looking for dungeon masters
email New Jersey at dungeons and Drafts dot

587
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.440
com and we can get the conversation
going. And Jason, because you're part

588
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:22.000
of the server that we run for
New Jersey, I'm sure you've seen the

589
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:27.119
uptick in I think the last week
we've added probably like six or seven new

590
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.440
last week or two has been close
to like ten. Yeah, I keep

591
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.639
seeing new people. It's like I
know this this person was demoted, was

592
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.719
promoted to the the DM role and
you know they get all their access from

593
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.119
there. But yeah, there's been
I think ten that passed like through three

594
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:45.039
weeks, and my inbox easily has
five or six unread emails during its kount

595
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:49.280
like when I woke up, and
then I've noticed during this conversation I've gotten

596
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.679
a couple more emails. I have
to figure out if they're from Jersey or

597
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.480
Pittsburgh or wherever or wherever at But
it's really really cool being able to make

598
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.239
a platform for dungeon masters to show
off their art end of the day.

599
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:05.360
This is a really cool art,
a really cool type of storytelling. And

600
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:09.840
it's been so fun watching from all
the different guilds, the hundreds of different

601
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.800
ways you can DM. There is
no right way. There's just an incredible

602
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.719
amount of creativity out there, and
so giving these dms that chance to use

603
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.880
theater of the mind to bring their
maps, to bring their minis, that's

604
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.320
just super fun. Yeah. I
could go on and on tomes. Do

605
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.840
you compensate the dms at all or
or is this just yes? Yeah,

606
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.840
yeah, for sure, they do
get part of the ticket price. So

607
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.760
we introduce the ticket price mainly because
yes, I am putting a lot of

608
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.280
work into this, I need a
way to pay bills, but also we

609
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.559
wanted a way to compensate the dms
for their time as well. Oh,

610
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:50.599
I think that the ticket price is
fantastic, And that's another difference between this

611
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.000
program and what a lot of game
stores do. We had a very modest

612
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:58.840
ticket price at our store, but
it just creates that bar that everybody has

613
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.320
to step over where they got be
willing to actually make an investment exactly what's

614
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:06.079
going on in the game, and
so everyone that's showing up there. You

615
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.400
know, they want to be there
because they paid to be there, and

616
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:14.920
it just like it just makes everything
more professional in what I think is probably

617
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.760
a really good and productive play.
Yeah, that their parents, their parents

618
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:21.480
aren't dropping them off and coming back
to call bick them up. Yeah,

619
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:28.119
that's that's been a huge push.
My mother would drop me off. It's

620
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.119
it's a huge I mean when I
was a teenager. It's a huge selling

621
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.760
point to the dms and to and
to host locations as well as a brewery.

622
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.519
Being able to tell them that,
hey, tonight at Yards, we

623
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.639
have sold thirty six tickets, so
you can expect thirty six players, but

624
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.559
you can also expect six dms.
You could expect forty two people tonight,

625
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:51.320
and then that way they can let
their staff know and go all right,

626
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:52.559
hey, be ready, we're going
to have a lot of people tonight.

627
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.280
And that works for any location where
we're able to give them a head count.

628
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.400
We teetered on the idea about a
ticket price and every thing, but

629
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.480
the amount of behind the scenes of
work that I'm doing, Yeah, No,

630
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:06.760
I think it's I think it's great
that I think it's great that you

631
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.719
do that because it professionalizes it for
everyone. And it also you know,

632
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.800
like I was taking a quick look
at it, and you guys are pretty

633
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.760
clear about like, you know,
if you don't cancel within forty eight hours,

634
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.119
you know you've paid and we're gonna, you know, go ahead and

635
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.800
run the game. DM still gets
paid even if you don't show up.

636
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.400
I think that's the DM's coming out, that the DM's preparing something. We

637
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.679
absolutely want to compensate them for the
three to four hours that they are hanging

638
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.719
out at that brewery. And that's
fantastic, just like not put sure the

639
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:42.440
three to four hours brost of the
time they prepare and everything, and you

640
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.320
know, and if the uh not
everyone goes as as arts and craft says

641
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.840
I did, but most of the
dms that I've seen go, some of

642
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.280
them go farther than I did.
And like, you know, this is

643
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.559
some materials and hours that we're putting
in behind the scenes as well, So

644
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:57.039
like this is something that a DM
in a public setting, I think.

645
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.960
And then the last, the last
thing about compensation for dms. We learned

646
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.360
about this a few months ago from
a New York City DM where she had

647
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.639
told me, Hey, I hope
it's okay, but somebody offered to give

648
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.639
me a tip at the end of
the session. I said, yes,

649
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.119
I hope that's cool, and I
went, holy, that's fantastic. Yeah,

650
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.159
I'm glad you went with asking,
you know, for forgiveness versus provision.

651
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:23.079
But now that this actually became a
thing, let's promote that idea.

652
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:29.480
You can. Absolutely they are providing
a customer service skill set that bartender at

653
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:31.679
the host location for that night,
they're going to get tipped out and they're

654
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.679
doing a fantastic job with their customer
service. But why shouldn't you also be

655
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.920
able to get tipped something? So
I do. It's not a requirement.

656
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.599
I offer it to the dms who
want to do it. Some of them

657
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.480
print out, you know, a
sheet of paper. It has the QR

658
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:50.920
code to their VENMO, it has
their Instagram account. A lot of dms

659
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.880
on Dungeons and drafts across all the
gills. A lot of them have made

660
00:42:54.000 --> 00:43:00.280
their own specific DM Instagram account.
They make their own graphics, they make

661
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.599
their own little calendars, and they
say, hey, I've signed up,

662
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.519
I'm going to be at these locations
in April. You can request me.

663
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.000
Here are the adventures I'm running.
And it just makes for a really interactive

664
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:16.119
way. Once again, I'd love
making this platform for the dms. They're

665
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:22.960
they're able to promote themselves and get
work even outside of Dungeons and Drafts where

666
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.760
Hey, I had a lady come
to me in Wilmington many months ago and

667
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.719
she told me that they were getting
married, her and her fiance. She

668
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:36.800
wanted to do a one shot bachelor
party. I love bachelor party, birthday

669
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.639
parties, that kind of thing.
And Sherry, I love this DM.

670
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:42.840
We just had him tonight. What
do I do? Do I talk to

671
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.480
you? Do I talk to him? No, you can go talk to

672
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.360
him. Absolutely, you had a
fantastic time with him. I don't want

673
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.280
to be your middleman. He's an
independent contract. My plate's kind of full

674
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.880
with this too, right. I
appreciate you coming to me, but absolutely

675
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.920
you can go talk to him,
and you guys can kind of settle on

676
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:00.840
what works best for your two parties. Thomas, let me let me pitch

677
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.599
a softball here. Like say,
I had a group of friends and I

678
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.519
wanted to treat them to a night
of dungeons and drafts. Do you have

679
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.440
a way that I could go about
doing that? We do have gift cards

680
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.559
we introduced that over the holiday season. Lots of people asked about that again

681
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.239
Dungeons and Drafts dot com and you
scroll down, We're going to do a

682
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:22.760
big overhaul on the website. It's
it's a lot of locations. So the

683
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.880
feedback has been, Hey, I
just want to know where Pittsburgh dates are.

684
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.400
But I'm going to work hopefully with
one or two different website designers and

685
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.400
we're going to do a big overhaul. But that is absolutely a thing that

686
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.679
we do have on the website.
When you scroll down, you could see

687
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.760
gift cards available and you can buy
you know, fifteen dollars worth, you

688
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:44.079
could buy one person a ticket,
you could buy you know, as many

689
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:45.800
tickets as you want for your friends, and they're good for any D and

690
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:52.000
D event pending. It isn't sold
out, but absolutely And that's and that

691
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.719
sounds great because that's it's it's regardless
of what brewery it's happening at, it's

692
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.440
a Dungeons and Drafts gift card,
right, So so it doesn't matter where

693
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.760
the venue is as long as it's
an event that you guys are involved with,

694
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.960
we can use that wherever. Yeah, that's awesome. We sometimes do

695
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:12.800
a raffle at our events, and
that's one thing we're going to switch into

696
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.639
doing online raffles. But we made
one of the raffle prizes a ticket to

697
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:20.880
any future Dungeons and Drafts event.
Sure, and we made the cube and

698
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:24.280
we made the cubon code good for
anywhere, so we had someone win it

699
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:29.000
in Philadelphia. Great, you can
go to the New Jersey Guild and play

700
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.280
over there if you want. This
is good anywhere funding. With the raffle

701
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.239
that we do, we do donate
half of the raffle money to a local

702
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.760
nonprofit, local charity. It's a
fun way to get out of the D

703
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:44.719
and D and beer lane and just
meet the community. So here in Philadelphia

704
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.360
we've done it a lot because I
do live here and I am able to

705
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.639
go to these locations and buy some
dice, buy some dice trays, a

706
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.599
hat, and a book, and
then you know, we put it all

707
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.800
up for raffle. But thinking future, I am like everyone know that as

708
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.400
soon as I can, as soon
as we update the websites, we're going

709
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.000
to do an online raffle because I
can't go to Pittsburgh all the time,

710
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.960
because I can't go to Knoxville or
Asheville. I really want the Knoxville community

711
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.440
to bid on stuff, to bid
on prizes, and then at the end

712
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:20.039
of two weeks of bidding or something, Hey, we're going to donate half

713
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.079
of that to the Knoxville Library.
Who like, how fun somebody won something

714
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:27.679
fun for Knoxville. You want some
fun prizes and we're able to give back

715
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.599
to something in the community. I
throw community out there a lot, because

716
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.199
I don't know, it's just something
that means a lot to me. It's

717
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:39.559
something I grew up on, and
it's something that I feel like as we

718
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:44.840
go into twenty twenty four and more
of these years, people are going further

719
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:49.599
away from community and they're kind of
sticking to themselves and they're afraid to go

720
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.159
the whole bowling alone. Phenomenon Ye
people talking, and so I love creating

721
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.719
this idea that we're here for everybody, not just D and D, not

722
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.239
just beer. I love helping out
in philadelp and donating to South Philly Community

723
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:06.239
Fridge or the Mural Arts Program.
Out here, a lot of really really

724
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.920
fun places to work with. Locally. There's obviously fantastic nationwide charities, but

725
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.159
there's also phenomenal local places you can
go to as well, and then it

726
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.760
just helps me learn about the area
as well. I'd love to learn more

727
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.400
about Jersey and where we can donate
in Jersey. I'd love to give one

728
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.440
of the prizes we're going to give
someone in Jersey for that. Raffle is

729
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.519
a fifty dollars. I looked it
up and you could do a gift card

730
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.119
to easy Pass. You guys have
so many soles. Nice, Holy crap.

731
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.679
Yeah, I learned so hard about
all the tolls, and I thought,

732
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.719
you know what, whoever wins in
Jersey, I'm gonna give you fifty

733
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.639
bucks, then you can come to
any dent. That's great. That's meek

734
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.760
prizes I've ever heard of that.
That's a really nice week going up and

735
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.480
down the park with right, Yeah, thank you. George Carollen has a

736
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.280
whole riff about New Jersey being the
toll booth state. You know, you

737
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.679
can't back out of your driveway without
some schmuck and a half wants fifty cents?

738
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:07.199
Is his his whole Well, yeah, yeah, we've all you know,

739
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:08.079
we've all just got it on,
you know, right on top of

740
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:12.079
our windshield. Then. So yeah, so this is this is question,

741
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.480
This question is mostly for Thomas,
but absolutely Jim and Joe wants you.

742
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:16.880
I want you to let us,
let me know your opinions as well.

743
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:23.440
So an entire adventuring party ends up
inside a brewery which classes are ordering what.

744
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:34.079
Oh, let's see I think the
I think the Barbarian gets the biggest,

745
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:38.760
the biggest flagon of ale of the
pub ale. I was I was

746
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:43.840
going, you think it's like a
Loggers, like a stout dapple bach.

747
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:45.519
Is that where you're trying to get
to Yeah, yeah, we're getting that.

748
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.599
Yeah, Oh I'm getting I'm gonna
the the Barbarian has taken the the

749
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:54.960
the imperial and the imperial style.
I thought of a bard with a very

750
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:04.679
eclectic fruity. I p a very
complex type of maybe maybe a Belgian maybe

751
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.239
something. Not ordering anything. The
bar is just gonna like start to play

752
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.760
and like like like assume that things
will be brought to him, right,

753
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:16.000
and like he's not he's not paying
for his own drinks. That's not the

754
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.559
that's not what the bar is going
to be doing. I wass saying that

755
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.320
the bar is getting the Seltzers.
Okay, Okay, it's a glamor Bard,

756
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:30.079
though Coultron glamor. Okay, got
to watch the figure. Uh,

757
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:37.199
let's see, Rangers and druids are
gonna split between farmhouses and seissans. Okay,

758
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.920
nice earthy beers. Yeah yeah,
man, who would get I feel

759
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:49.639
like a Warlocks going like stout porter, something dark, oh yeah, dark

760
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:54.880
and brooding. Yeah, serve warm, so yeah yeah I think that's and

761
00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:02.360
then a Palatine would get something bright
yeah maybe like maybe hills yeah, golden

762
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:07.480
ale. Yeah yeah. And the
cleric is the one ordering like the root

763
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:12.159
beer, the seltzer, yeah you've
got yeah, yeah, exactly, the

764
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:17.679
actual seltzer. The roague brought his
own little little flasks, right, snuck

765
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.159
him in there. Yeah, that's
the best I got. Thomas is awesome.

766
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.119
Where can people find more about dungeons
and drafts? All right? Perfect?

767
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.519
Yeah. Best way to learn more
about dungeons and drafts Dungeons letter n

768
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.519
Drafts, Dungeons drafts dot com.
You can also look up dungeons and drafts

769
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:39.000
on Instagram. We have dungeons and
drafts Philly, New Jersey, Pittsburgh,

770
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:45.679
New York City, Delaware, Ashville, Knoxville, and we do post daily.

771
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.920
We have lots of flyers going up
daily. We post lots of recap

772
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:52.199
photos on our Instagram. We like
to post lots of like DM highlights and

773
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.000
everything. Maybe you can learn about
like a DM that's local in your area

774
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.800
and you could try to request them
at an upcoming session. But yeah,

775
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.400
so Instagram and the website. Also
on the website there is a drop down

776
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.719
if you Once you scroll down,
there's a spot where you can put your

777
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:12.079
email in and sign up for a
newsletter. We like to send a newsletter

778
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.360
out once every couple of weeks.
We always drop the monthly calendar. And

779
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:19.719
then we also like to send everyone
like a ticket update and let them know,

780
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.239
hey, if you were thinking about
coming to an event next week,

781
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.000
there's only three tickets left. Little
things like that, So lots of fun

782
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:31.599
updates through our email. There's a
separate Instagram for each region. So uh

783
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:35.360
so go find your go find your
local region if you're local to the area.

784
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.719
So Dungeons and Drafts NJ for New
Jersey, Dungeons and Drafts p HL

785
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.559
for Billy. Once you find one, you can basically find them all.

786
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.639
Sure. Yeah, well we'll put
links to not only the main website,

787
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.239
but we'll put all the Instagram links
in the show notes as well, so

788
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.599
people can find them easily from this
episode. Yeah, this is this has

789
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.440
been such a cool thing. And
not only and only this this interviewing you

790
00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.360
coming on the show, but the
even just the the operation that you're running.

791
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.079
This is this is really cool.
We'll kill the curtain back a little

792
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.559
bit. You're called disconnected for a
little bit there, and while we're waiting

793
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:07.639
for you to reconnect, Jim was
kind of flipping through the website and just

794
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:15.280
marveling it, like how how much
reach this operation even really has and how

795
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.960
successful he believes it's going to be
in DC Baltimore area as well, and

796
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:24.440
how much he wants to run all
again in the DC Baltimore area. You

797
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:29.039
and I will talk a little bit
later about breweries around my area that I

798
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.119
think we can get into. I'm
sure you've got your pitch for them already

799
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.800
set, but I think maybe it
could bring people together in our nation's capital,

800
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:42.920
something we desperately. That should be
all right, So we'll drop all

801
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.000
that later. Thomas, thank you
so much, and you and Desre for

802
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.239
creating this as well. This is
this is awesome. So if you you're

803
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.719
in one of these regions and you
can't get out to a game. Highly

804
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.159
highly highly recommend. I'm actually running
a game for you tonight at the closest

805
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:59.480
brewery that you're participating in to me, which is about forty five minutes away.

806
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.840
But well we'll fix that later.
But Thomas, once again, thank

807
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:06.039
you so much. Thank you,
guys, thank you, thank you so

808
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.840
much. Goodbye Adventurers. If it's
wonderful to meet and hang with you,

809
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:13.320
Oh you can, you can?
You can say it with us after good

810
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.000
for much? Feel yeah yeah,
ready, stick around man, Thank you

811
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for listening to Hello Adventurers. We
are your hosts Jason Portiso, Jim Crocker,

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and Joe McCall. Our guest today
was Thomas Solar of Dungeons and Drafts,

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producer, editor engineer Jason Portiso.
Music is by Nick Spurrier, artwork

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by Kristen Broderick. You can reach
out to us with any feedback or suggestions

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by emailing Hello Adventurers podcast at gmail
dot com. Hello Adventurers is a JTP

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audio production. Now we can say
it ready, Goodbye adventures