Building Your Library In Phases

WEBVTT

1
00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:26.359
The podcast or role players and game
masters that help level up your game.

2
00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:31.280
We are Your dungeon master is Jason
Portiso, I'm Joe McCall. I am

3
00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:34.960
Jim Crocker. So today I'm going
to answer the question, well, we're

4
00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:38.200
all going to answer the question that
we get from new players a lot of

5
00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:41.719
just like there's just so many books
out there. There's so many not only

6
00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.439
from Wizards of the Coast directly,
but there's tons of third party Like we

7
00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:48.479
just covered a couple of our favorite
third party books. Will continue doing that

8
00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:52.679
as well. But just like where
do you start? And like you know,

9
00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.479
player has been playing for years have
just like a library full of books,

10
00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:57.920
but like you don't have to get
them all in one shot. There's

11
00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:02.000
thousands of dollars in there. So
so today's episode is going to be how

12
00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:06.519
to build your library in phases?
And this is something I kind of started

13
00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.680
mapping out for some brand new players
that I've been meeting at the game store

14
00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.319
and brewery games that I've been running
and a lot of them have never played

15
00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:17.280
before. And then they play a
couple of games, some of them after

16
00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:19.280
even just their first game, they
dive and head first. Some of them

17
00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:22.239
come back for a second one.
They're like, Okay, I guess,

18
00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:23.760
yeah, I guess this is what
I'm going to do now. And then

19
00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.560
it's always the same questions like where
do I start? And then after you

20
00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.560
start, what's next? And then
it's just a series of what's next,

21
00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.439
what's the next bus next? At
to that, which is how I did

22
00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:36.079
it. So I'm going to try
to just kind of spell it out for

23
00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:40.120
you guys, how to do it
in phases and what books are important to

24
00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:44.200
get at what point in your career. And I'm going to address this for

25
00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:48.120
both players and dungeon Masters. So
two different lists, but yeah, I

26
00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.280
was thinking that when you said,
okay, we're folks players, but no,

27
00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.439
no, absolutely two different lists,
but I kind of but I kind

28
00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.280
of wrote them up at the same
time. So this episode is for like,

29
00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.400
let's say, for example, like
and this is really me with like

30
00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:02.719
with like high schoolers too, where
like you know, you and your four

31
00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:06.840
friends are all getting into this at
the same time. One of you has

32
00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:10.080
got to be the DM. So
this is kind of for for that group

33
00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:14.360
that is now getting your all your
first books at the same time. So

34
00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:16.960
what is what is each of you
buy they're The sad news of the DMS

35
00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:21.759
is the players can also split their
books. Yeah, so sorry for your

36
00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.639
wallet. Well, the players can
split your books too. Oh yeah,

37
00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:27.960
I guess your group before I would
say split everything. Yeah, way,

38
00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:30.960
and and rotate your DMS too.
But that's but that's the repisode. So

39
00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:38.000
I got a couple phases here,
so let's jump in. So are phase

40
00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:43.319
one. I'm titling this bar for
entry. This is just enough for you

41
00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.879
to get started playing. It's a
short list for players. You want a

42
00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:55.120
book called players Handbook. It's obvious
because it is so you can you can

43
00:02:55.759 --> 00:03:00.400
go lower than that, or the
basic rules, Basic rules, the starter

44
00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:05.520
set. I would say it would
actually probably be like the best starting place

45
00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.479
for somebody that's that's not that hasn't
done it before. Okay, so let

46
00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:13.719
me let me let me match this
down a little bit. Yeah yeah,

47
00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.159
then that's what you you know what
I'm saying. Sorry, So that's excellent

48
00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:20.360
for first time players who want to
dabble, or if you if you got

49
00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.159
invited to a game and you're like, I've never played before, that's that's

50
00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:27.159
your that's your phase zero. Say
that when I own my game store,

51
00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.439
the basic set was the answer to
the question of like, you know,

52
00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:38.599
guy in his like mid thirties walks
in, yeah, says, you know,

53
00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:43.759
my eleven year old wants to play
D and D. I played back

54
00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.759
when I was in high school,
but I haven't touched it since then.

55
00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:51.560
Where do I even start? And
I say, okay, you know,

56
00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:55.680
you can spend one hundred dollars on
these books, or you can start with

57
00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.759
this twenty five dollars box set,
play a little bit of it. If

58
00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:02.439
you love it, then you upgrade, which which is exactly where me and

59
00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:08.759
my son, my son got start. Yeah, so what we'll call that

60
00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:13.039
phase zero. Okay, that's enough. That's enough for you to know that

61
00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.920
you want to move or the or
it's the game store game, or it's

62
00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.399
the brewery game. Yes, yea. So this is aimed at the people

63
00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:24.680
who already know that they already know
that there's things they're going to do,

64
00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.959
and they want to start amassing a
library that rivals their d MS. Okay,

65
00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:30.319
okay, okay, so allright,
so phase zero out of the way.

66
00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.480
Phase one is going to be the
players. Hample oah. Like I

67
00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.439
say, it's it's obvious, because
it is. It's it's it's everything you

68
00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.600
need. There's enough actual gameplay,
and I know people kind of like want

69
00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:46.240
to feel like the players the basic
pH B stuff is like boring races and

70
00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.519
classes and subclasses and stuff, but
they're not. There's enough for you to

71
00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:54.040
to gain for your whole career just
in that book. Yeah, if we're

72
00:04:54.079 --> 00:05:00.040
talking about like like the what's the
word economics of that? Like, if

73
00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.480
you're buying a fifty dollars book,
right, is that what the going rate

74
00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:12.000
is for a hardcover edition. So
that's the that's the SRP, that's if

75
00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:15.720
you buy it in the store.
But let's just say let's just say like

76
00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.439
that's what you're you know, and
let's just say you're playing once a month.

77
00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:23.439
You're going to get a couple of
a few years out of that pH

78
00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:28.800
B. So per game, you
know what does that cost breakdown to spend?

79
00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:31.240
Yeah, yeah, and over the
course store you figure, in addition,

80
00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.879
will last ten years on average looking
at their at their history, ten

81
00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:41.319
to twelve years. So you're talking
about one hundred and twenty times divided by

82
00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:46.240
fifty, So you're twelve divided divided
by five. You know, you'd be

83
00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.279
stupid not to play. Yeah,
a couple of bucks maybe per game if

84
00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:53.279
you play only once a month,
right, and you're the only one that

85
00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.839
uses it, Yeah, you're you're
saving money with every session. Yeah,

86
00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.439
exactly. To the I'm always looking
for value, to the to the high

87
00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.079
schools and middle high schoolers and middle
schoolers who are, like, you know,

88
00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.519
getting their group into it for the
first time. Y'all can share that.

89
00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:10.000
Yeah, you share it until until
until everyone needs their own copy and

90
00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.680
put buy them as you need have. Billy's mom buy it because they're loaded.

91
00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.439
You know his birthday is coming up. Yeah, and that you know

92
00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:19.120
he gets a new bike like every
year. They're loaded. Yeah. So

93
00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:21.600
that's for players. Just start with
the Player's handbout. That is your phase

94
00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:26.560
one for dms, your phase one
is also just the Player's Handbook. And

95
00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:29.240
I know you're going to think,
don't you mean the Dungeon Master's Guide.

96
00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.480
No, I don't know. Yeah, you can scrape by with what you

97
00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:39.560
find on the internet until until you're
you're you are ready to be the DM.

98
00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.759
Right, So I do also have
the Dungeon Master's Guide in phase one

99
00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.639
because it just kind of makes sense
to just get the corset. But if

100
00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.800
Billy's mom's buying it then yeah,
yeah, for sure. But like y'all,

101
00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.319
you can all get away with just
the Player's Handbook. And I think

102
00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.000
that's like one of the most well
kept secrets in this game is that the

103
00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:58.040
Dungeon Master Guide isn't really necessary until
the DM really wants to start focusing.

104
00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:00.480
Because, as we know, if
you need to know what your party's overland

105
00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.000
travels bet is going to be,
it's gonna be found in the player's hand

106
00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:09.319
But it's gonna be found That means
it's gonna be clearly, it's gonna be

107
00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.959
found only on this podcast. I
don't know how you feel about this,

108
00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.800
Jason, but I mean my like
lukewarm take, it's not exactly a hot

109
00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:21.639
take. Is that if you're like
a new DM and you only can afford

110
00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:27.439
one book, get the Monster Manual
before you get the damn Yeah, that

111
00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:29.759
isn't I don't think that's a hot
take. That is a lukewarm take.

112
00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:32.560
Okay, that is that is the
Lucas of worms. Yes he has a

113
00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.560
room temperature take. Yeah, that
that's what I would say, But it's

114
00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.279
it's it's something I feel like it
needs to be said out loud though.

115
00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.560
Yeah, and then you're saying what
everyone is thinking. You're what you are.

116
00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.199
Yeah, because you're you get way
more value out of that monster.

117
00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:49.040
Man. Yeah, I am only
calling that a lukewarm take and not a

118
00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:55.360
not a cold take because most monsters
are googleable, that's true. So,

119
00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.360
like, you know, you can
get away with that without buying it.

120
00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.720
But I think I only read.
Maybe this is my problem. I think

121
00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.360
I've only used and read like maybe
one or two chapters of that DMG.

122
00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.199
There's not a time. Having been
a player in one of your games for

123
00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.240
years now, I believe that's a
different podcast. We're not supposed to be

124
00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:18.040
committed certain sound effect. Yeah,
all right, you go. Uh that's

125
00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.560
your Phase one. Players get the
Player's Handbook. Dms also get the Player's

126
00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.519
Handbook, and maybe if you've got
the extra scratch, maybe grab the DMG

127
00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.120
and you can you can round out
the whole Core three set while you're at

128
00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.639
it. I'm calling the I'm calling
the real Phase one just a PHP,

129
00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.679
and I want to call it a
Phase one point five. You can get

130
00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.759
the whole core set in a box
set if you canceled it cheaper. Yeah,

131
00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:41.759
a couple of times a year,
at least once a year, maybe

132
00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.080
twice a year, and I think
Amazon has obviously, like while we read,

133
00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.720
while we were just talking at the
time of this recording, the the

134
00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.679
Player's Handbook is on sale by twenty
six bucks yep. So like, just

135
00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:54.440
keep an eye on the sales the
court, the Core set, the Core

136
00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.080
like, yeah, the box set
that comes with the Dungeon Master screen.

137
00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.360
I think a couple of years ago
I picked that up for it was on

138
00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.919
sale and I got it for nothing, and I think I got the whole

139
00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.279
thing for like maybe fifty bucks.
Yeah, yeah, the sale. There

140
00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.080
are sales that happened. The price
thing here. They went as low as

141
00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:15.120
eighty bucks recently, So keep an
eye out for it, and of course

142
00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:20.399
support your friendly local game store whenever
possible. Phase two we're going to call

143
00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.080
this so if phase one with bar
for entry, phase two we're going to

144
00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.480
call the Essentials. These are things
that I think that every player and DM

145
00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.039
should have. And the box set
Watzi the essential, not that box set.

146
00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.799
So for players, once you have
the Player's Handbook, I want to

147
00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.799
just reach out from that a little
bit. I would say add Tasha's Cauldron

148
00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.279
of Everything as being the next player's
book. You may be thinking, you

149
00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.919
know, grab the whole corset.
If you're just going to play and you're

150
00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:48.879
not going to DM for a while, there's really not much in those other

151
00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.919
books for you. And the next
super player centric book is Tasha's. Tasha's

152
00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.399
came out with so much stuff that
even Jim called it five point one edition.

153
00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:01.879
Yeah, it was, it was, there was that much in there.

154
00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.639
It's got updates to existing classes and
subclasses. Like so the Player's Handbook

155
00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.559
version of the Beastmaster Arranger is pretty
awful. It's fun and it's playable,

156
00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.320
but it's not great. Tasha's Beastmaster
Arranger it was awesome and I played that

157
00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.399
in one of our first campaigns shows
and it was it was great. So

158
00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:26.320
there's enough different stuff there to warrant
having both books, plus having new new

159
00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:30.039
subclasses, and I believe it actually
has the official stuff for the Artificer in

160
00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.039
there. Uh so there's an entire
new class. It's got some of the

161
00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.440
stuff that you would otherwise need to
go kind of dip into other campaigns,

162
00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:43.360
like you know, Artificers out of
Ebron and stuff like that. Warforge and

163
00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.320
Artificers were an Ebron, which is
why I have the Ebron book, but

164
00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.559
yeah, that's in a later phase. DMS Phase two is to not only

165
00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:52.600
finish out the core three if you
haven't already in phase one, and to

166
00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:58.039
pick up the supplemental trio. So
if the core trio is your player's handbook,

167
00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:03.120
Dungeon Master, guyde and Monster Manual, the supplemental Trio is Tasha's Cultron

168
00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.159
of Everything, Xana Thar's Guide to
Everything, and what used to be it

169
00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.559
was a Volos Guide to Monsters was
the one before Monsters in the Multiverse,

170
00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.240
which completely replaced Volos, and there's
definitely box sets of that. I got

171
00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.759
the a nice limited white edition which
looks great on my shelf, which is

172
00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:24.480
how I owned some. I actually
owned three copies of Tasha's. I bought

173
00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.679
it when it first came out and
I wasn't like getting I wasn't like super

174
00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.200
into alternate covers at the time.
Then I got the box set when Monster's

175
00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.240
the Multiverse came out because that was
the only way you can get it at

176
00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.399
the time, and I got the
alternate version of that, and then my

177
00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:41.080
funding local game store actually got alternate
art Tasha's for a decent price that I

178
00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:43.960
didn't mind spending. The issh of
money on. So that's how good Tasha's

179
00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:46.600
is. I have three copies of
it. So yeah, players, pick

180
00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:52.159
up your copies of Tasha's and DMS, finish out your core trio and add

181
00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:58.399
in your supplemental trio. Hello Adventurers, just stepping in here to remind you

182
00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:03.399
guys, and we're actively looking for
submissions for our Hello DMS episode that gets

183
00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:07.120
recorded every month. Send us your
burning D and D questions Helloadventurers podcast at

184
00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:13.159
gmail dot com, or send us
a voicemail by visiting helloadventurers podcast dot com

185
00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:18.960
slash voice. Don't forget to begin
your message with Hello DMS. You can't

186
00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:20.639
wait to get your questions to talk
about them on the show. Send us

187
00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:26.399
your questions today. That's Helloadventurers podcast
at gmail dot com or the voicemoing at

188
00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:31.559
helloadventurers podcast dot com slash voice.
Now let's get back to the show.

189
00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.600
Phase three is when we start getting
fun. I'm calling this section get good,

190
00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.120
G I T g U D Get
good for Dungeon Masters. We'll do

191
00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.360
DMS first this time. There are
two of these books and others in the

192
00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.240
series, but these two in particular, and we have been championing Keith Amon

193
00:12:54.519 --> 00:13:00.519
on this show and on my non
past episodes and Curmudgeons as well. Honestly,

194
00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.440
like, I can't believe how much
he's done for our games. I

195
00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.080
ran into somebody at the grocery store
the other day and I was just talking

196
00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:11.360
about Keith the mom Have you heard
the good word? So you can go

197
00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.679
and find these blogs called the Monsters
Know what They're Doing. But there's also

198
00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.159
print versions of it as well,
So if you're building out a physical library,

199
00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.639
actually grab the books that the Monsters
Know what They're doing and the follow

200
00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.120
up More Monsters Know what They're Doing. I've got both them sent my shelf

201
00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.960
over there, alongside his other books
just for the d M. These give

202
00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:33.039
you like kind of like battle tactics
and like how a monster would think,

203
00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.159
Like I had to look up the
one on Albert's and you know they like

204
00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.919
how had I not read this,
like I would probably have them be a

205
00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.799
little bit more intelligent and maybe target
the caster or target something like that.

206
00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.559
They're not that smart. They just
go for the closest thing to them,

207
00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:48.799
and if something hits them, their
attention gets diverted the way and then and

208
00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.120
then for smarter creatures too. They
give you a lot of strategy that maybe

209
00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.080
you hadn't thought of, like,
oh no, they guess they would,

210
00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.840
they would think of this difference.
Yeah, they would see this. So

211
00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.600
for simpler stuff like Alberts and mimics, like you know, that's a little

212
00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.440
shorter article, but for like you
know, Archay and he can go,

213
00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.080
he goes. Really that's that's pages. So what phase are we in there

214
00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.080
for DMS? This is phase three
that get good. So if the first

215
00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.960
two phases are designed to get you
the rules and get you enough to get

216
00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.240
going, this is where you start
getting tactics and getting good at the game

217
00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.600
itself. So those would be my
favorite ones to pick up next because these

218
00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.000
are monsters that you're already familiar with, and I can just fight a little

219
00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:30.360
bit better and make your encounters,
if not better and like as far as

220
00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.720
difficulty level, because they'll be fighting, you know, intelligently, but even

221
00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.840
just more believable. Yeah, And
that's one of the things I think sometimes

222
00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:45.639
people look at those books and may
get the impression that it's like they're specifically

223
00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:48.679
geared towards making those encounters more deadly, Like there's some kind of like gotcha

224
00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.759
thing going on in there, not
necessariarily and and and there can be some

225
00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:56.799
of that, but I don't think
that's the main intent behind that at all.

226
00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:01.120
It's it's to make them interesting,
to give them some variety, to

227
00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.480
get the players thinking about different ways
to approach stuff, and and to also

228
00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.600
kind of inject the idea that like, you know, well, I mean,

229
00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.240
the monsters do know what they're doing. They think about right now,

230
00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.559
think about what's going on and what
their motivations are, and what their own

231
00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.360
motivations are, and that's exactly yeah. Yeah, So I think I think

232
00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:26.720
it helps the d M or GM
conceptualize right and have it almost jump off

233
00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:31.360
the page, right is because because
you know, running games, it can

234
00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:33.399
kind of Okay, here's an account, Okay, this is how many HP

235
00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.799
it has, is the damage it
does. Here's the average damaging roll the

236
00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.159
dice, And you know, it
kind of gets you can get boring,

237
00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.919
you know, and get it can
get it become a slog. So at

238
00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.399
least this sparks that like, oh
okay, wait a minute, there's a

239
00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:52.279
little bit more to this thing.
This end. And the other thing that

240
00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.519
I love about it is that really
you read through that and you start to

241
00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:02.240
even if it's not what he's talking
about in any individual article or or kind

242
00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.320
of you know, really driving at
but you also start to think of like

243
00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:10.679
different ways encounters could end, because
one of the things he talks about is

244
00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.320
like, Okay, here's the thing
that's going to make them run away,

245
00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.679
or here's the thing that's going to
make them, you know, decide that

246
00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.399
maybe they want to negotiate with you
instead of you know, getting into a

247
00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:22.840
knockdown, drag out fight. And
that's one of the challenges in D and

248
00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:27.120
D kind of because of the the
way that combat sort of tends to work

249
00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:32.039
and what we're also like, this
is one of the bad habits we learned

250
00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.559
from video games, right, is
that every fight is you fight until all

251
00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.159
the bad guys are dead. And
one of the things one of the real,

252
00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:44.799
you know, kind of services that
these books perform is they give you

253
00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:48.480
different ways to think about how those
fights can go, not just in a

254
00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.200
different not just tactically, but you
know, resolution wise. And I think

255
00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.440
that's one of the things that's great, I think, really great about them.

256
00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:59.720
I think he looks at their intelligence
and Okay, this this thing is

257
00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.359
intelligent enough to know when it gets
to a certain level or something happens,

258
00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.240
it's going to run away, or
it's going to try to bargain, depending

259
00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.039
on you know, what the nature
of it is. It's really interesting.

260
00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:18.240
So again, just giving it like
a making you think more about the motivation

261
00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.519
of any given monsters. A fight
against an owlberr should feel different than a

262
00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:27.000
fight against an arch mage. And
you know, before I started like taking

263
00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.799
these arts to heart, every fight
kind of felt like a fight against Jason

264
00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.759
Portiso because I would fight with the
same tactics and just with the stat blocks.

265
00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:41.720
Yeah. Like recording this podcast,
Yeah, sure, that's the monsters

266
00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.839
know what they're doing. I'm also
going to include a book that we covered

267
00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.160
on our Third Party book Club,
The Lazy Dungeon Master's Guide. Yeah.

268
00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.200
I think this is the right phase
to get that. Definitely, by this

269
00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.000
point you should have a couple of
games under your belt and you should be

270
00:17:55.000 --> 00:18:00.720
able to appreciate the time saving differences
that that book introduced to you. Yeah.

271
00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:06.839
Yeah, yeah, I know,
you're a big I mean to me,

272
00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.200
you can also maybe get this this
one in the second phase if you

273
00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:14.400
really are like, man, this
is difficult, if you're really having maybe

274
00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.839
if you've been elected the forever d
M by your friend group, and you're

275
00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.440
like, I don't know how to
get my head around prep and and you're

276
00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.839
like designing a little bit more or
running in a an environment, not running

277
00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.359
a just a module. I'd say
that's really the point where where you're no

278
00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:37.160
longer running a set module or a
set campaign. Sure that's been already written

279
00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:41.799
out and decided for you as a
GM. If you're designing some of those

280
00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:47.599
encounters and stuff, Lazy DM guide
is great, yeah, because maybe it's

281
00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:49.680
going to help streamline that. Maybe
that's the first one in this phase,

282
00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:55.440
then it could be again, it
depends on where you are in your quote

283
00:18:55.480 --> 00:19:00.799
unquote journey. Sure everybody kind of
hits that different course. That's the Dungeon

284
00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.720
Masters for players. There is a
keith I mo On book for us as

285
00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.400
well, the Guess Book Will Live
to Tell the Tale, And the same

286
00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.759
way that he breaks down monster tactics, this one is geared towards the player

287
00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.440
classes and kind of like breaks them
into categories. And it's not like,

288
00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.720
Okay, if you're Paladin and do
this, if you're this, you do

289
00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.039
this. Because this is actually applicable
to other game systems because it breaks those

290
00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:27.559
classes down into categories, so like
you know stuff like like like tank front

291
00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:32.279
end of the DPS. You know, terms that you're a melee fighter,

292
00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:37.640
yeah, familiar called rolls in fourth
edition exactly. And if you're you know,

293
00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:42.039
any sort of like any really any
kind of video gamer that involves fighting

294
00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.200
and multiplayers and stuff. These are
all terms that you're used to here.

295
00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.319
So it's like a more it's like
a more literary RPG bot dot net short

296
00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.960
rpg bo will take his step by
step on That's what I mean. It

297
00:19:53.079 --> 00:20:00.119
kind of like optimize like Max yeah, right or mid Max's Yeah. I

298
00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.759
agree, they're not super interesting,
but so but this kind of helps you

299
00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:10.519
optimize your your character more so it
gives you, uh, it's it's your

300
00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:14.359
tactics, like okay, if you're
if you are filling the role because like

301
00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:15.200
you know, let's let's say,
let's see a cleric for example. I

302
00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:19.720
think cleric's a great example. Cleric
can be a tank. Cleric can also

303
00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:23.960
be crowd control DPS palatte. It
might be a better example. In our

304
00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:29.160
game, our cleric is our rogue. Yeah, because he thinks he's a

305
00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:33.759
boy. I mean, because there's
a material difference between this is what you

306
00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:40.559
do to deal the maximum amount of
damage every round and okay, we've read

307
00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:44.920
every spell so that you don't have
to like and those are kind of two

308
00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:51.759
I mean maybe I like, I
don't think, yeah, I love that.

309
00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.200
Well, where else going with this
was that, like, no,

310
00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:57.799
let's say Paladin for example, Like, Paladin can absolutely be a tank.

311
00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.240
They can, they can run full
plate armor and everything. Powdin could also

312
00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:06.279
be like explosive damage. I know, huge DPS PLoud Ins maybe aren't the

313
00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:10.480
best of crowd control. So like
you can have a Paladin be your frontline

314
00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:14.640
DPS or your tank, and then
this book will kind of go into Okay,

315
00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:18.880
if you're taking the role of the
tank or the damage sponge or whatever

316
00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.000
you want to call it, here
is some things to keep in mind if

317
00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.279
you are taking this role, and
then Palding can also be the explosive damage,

318
00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.839
so you're also okay, sometimes you're
taking this role and if you are

319
00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.119
taking that role in this particular battle, here's some things to keep in mind.

320
00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:38.119
Okay, And it's very generalized by
role, not by specific class,

321
00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:42.640
So you decide where you are and
in your party makeup. You know,

322
00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:47.000
if you have a cleric and a
paladin. Also, the cleric or the

323
00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:51.680
barbarium might even be your damage sponge
while your paladin is doing your explosive damage.

324
00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.599
So in this particular part you make
up or is you know, principally

325
00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.319
interested in being like a backup healer
or something and do that too. So

326
00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.319
yeah, so in one particular party, makeup and if it's worth only three

327
00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:06.039
person party, and then you got
to you gotta fill multiple roles. You

328
00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.079
or in this seven person party that
you play on on opposite weeks, you're

329
00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.359
playing a very different role. And
yeah, it's so it's it breaks it

330
00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.559
down like that, and I think
this is why it's it is specifically geared

331
00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.200
towards players, that that book is
not necessarily for dms, but it is

332
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:23.559
written with the same level of analysis
that the monsters know what they're doing is

333
00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:27.440
written in Okay, So we were
always champion Keith a mon's material, and

334
00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:33.359
I think both players and dms in
this phase can benefit from that. Phase

335
00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.839
four. Now we're getting to some
fun stuff when calling this branching out.

336
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.079
So now we've got for the players, we've got the player's hand, but

337
00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:47.200
we got Tasha's and we've got lift
to tell the tail. Dms have all

338
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.640
the core books plus lays and DMS
guy plus monsters know what they're doing,

339
00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:52.599
and like this is enough to like
not only just run your game. This

340
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.039
is enough to run a good game
yep, like and I mean like a

341
00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:02.720
particularly good game. So they had
we go out from that. So for

342
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:07.960
the players, I have campaign books
with player mechanics, so things that have

343
00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:12.240
things for players. We mentioned Eberon
before, so like you know, Waltashas

344
00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:18.160
has stuff for artificers in that book, does not have anything for the Warforged

345
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.960
race. And I'm looking at the
rest of my thing here, I think

346
00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.599
I forget where turtles come from.
But like you know, not everything is

347
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:30.720
printed in every book, So now
we can kind of like add more classes

348
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:36.839
and races and subclasses to your arsenal. Obviously, if you're getting a campaign

349
00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:41.400
book, only read the player mechanics
parts unless your DM instructs you to read

350
00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.720
more. It's going to be my
little disclaimer here. You might be buying

351
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.400
more book than you might be using, which is why I have in such

352
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:52.119
a late phase. Yeah. Yeah, I call those the sandbox books because

353
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.920
there's like kind of stuff for everybody, and the outlines of you know,

354
00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.920
kind of the skeleton of what you
need to but you know, and maybe

355
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.880
a few specific encounters, but it's
what you need to run a game in

356
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:08.160
that world in that world. Yeah, and it's a great halfway point between,

357
00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:12.440
like you say, you know,
we're just gonna go curse Astrade,

358
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.519
start at the front of the book
and work our way to the back of

359
00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:21.799
the book, you know, And
I've got an idea for a whole campaign,

360
00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.920
and I'm gonna do everything from scratch. Those sandbooks box are books.

361
00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:32.680
Those sandbox books are a great stepping
stone between those two things. Yeah,

362
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.440
And I've got that on both players
and dms. And what's funny is that,

363
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.519
like between the player and the DM, you'll you'll read the whole book,

364
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.519
but each of you probably reading less
than half. Yeah, the the

365
00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.480
players even less. So. One
of the other things that I like about

366
00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:49.400
that is that if you get Tasha's
and you read about artificers, there's no

367
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.680
context for that. Yes, but
if you get one of the Sandbox books,

368
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:59.079
it's gonna say, here's how artificers
fit into the world. And as

369
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:02.400
a player, that ca you.
Then you've got like some hooks for doing

370
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:06.880
background things and you know, you
know, I'm gonna put it because we

371
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.559
know what you know, sharn Is
and the morn Lands and stuff like that.

372
00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:12.680
That gives you a lot You've got
a lot more to go on in

373
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.839
terms of, you know, building
a story behind that character. Then if

374
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.880
you're just kind of dropping it into
a world that your dungeon master is kind

375
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.440
of making up as they go along. Yeah, and if you want to

376
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.359
like them a game in that world, having characters that take parts from that

377
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.240
world is just going to make them
just seat that much better. There's the

378
00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:33.519
what's the Giants book called? Oh
you're talking about? That's like fizz Bands,

379
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.640
but for giants exactly. Big B
Big Be's Yeah, Big B Glory,

380
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.640
Big B Glory of Giants is a
great example. And Fiz Bands was

381
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.839
the other example I was thinking of
that. There's a dragon book that they

382
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.079
do, Yeah, yeah, That'ssband's
Treasury of Dragons. Both of them have

383
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:52.559
like very little as far as like
encounters and modules built in. And I

384
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:56.599
have it, Yeah, I forgot. It's all the way. It's right

385
00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.200
right, just right, just where
I can't read it from here. That's

386
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.279
the alternate cover. Yeah, they
they set aside alternate covers for me at

387
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.000
the game story. But there's like
these those books in particular versus something like

388
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.640
Strat or Ebon that has more like
encounters and like a whole like a whole

389
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.799
game that you can run through.
Fizz Bands and Big b will be more

390
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:18.839
like here's just like a bunch of
stats and just like go have fun with

391
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.160
it. Oh, they give you
even more than that though. They talk

392
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:27.559
about world building and role play dragons. I was including, I was including

393
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:34.920
that its very very but also like
then that's the DM stuff, and on

394
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:40.519
the player stuff, there's also like
new subclasses and new feats and like some

395
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.000
really cool stuff. And I think
one of the things they go over is

396
00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:48.319
again in fizz Bands is like the
best how to how to create a god

397
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.160
dragon race dragon bard. There you
go, just words are scared of those

398
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:57.440
guys that are born as dragons?
Yeah, the dragon births. So it

399
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:03.559
gives you in from on playing dragon
board too, Yeah, yep, yep,

400
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.039
especially within that within that part of
that world. But I think books

401
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.559
like that would be the next good
one to get the cauldron of everything like

402
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.160
that as well. You know that's
probably Jim, you probably know the most

403
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.359
about the cauldron. No, no, then what is it? What's the

404
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.839
what's the one that's the deck of
many Things? The Book, the Book

405
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.839
of Many Things, Book of many
Things. Yeah, that's like your favorite

406
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.960
book. Jim's opinion aside, that
book is dope. Yeah, but there's

407
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.200
not the same thing. That book
includes many things and you can leave it

408
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.000
out of your game gym. But
there's like other really cool stuff in that.

409
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.160
But it's verbe heavy. Yeah it
is, yes, yeah, it's

410
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.160
it's a lot more like fistbands than
it is like ebron. Yeah, there's

411
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.319
a lot more like feats in that
one. Uh oh yeah, no,

412
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.960
no, it's there. There's dozens
of ways to destroy your campaign. Sure,

413
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:53.359
is that it? Right? Yeah? Yeah? And then the book

414
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.519
itself. Thanks. So I'm going
to say that books like that are going

415
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.519
to be the next ones to get
for both players and d ms. And

416
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.920
you're reading different parts of the same
book. And also this is the part

417
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.559
where with DM discretion and approval of
course, And that's what I'm just gonna

418
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.519
for a lot of these. It's
gonna from here on out is going to

419
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.160
have that kind of asterisk next to
it. So, and I have in

420
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:18.039
my notes in all caps with DM
approval third party player books where you can

421
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.039
introduce new mechanics and new classes,
new subclasses, new feats, and things

422
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.400
like that. Obviously, your DM
is gonna have to check it out first

423
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:26.599
and make sure it's going to fit
in their game and that it's not broken.

424
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:32.440
In my experience, if it has
been printed by a reputable publisher like

425
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:36.200
Cobyl Press, it's usually not broken
and usually pretty good in the game.

426
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.839
But you know your DM's world might
not fit with stuff like that. So

427
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.599
just reading off of my shelf right
here, Deep Magic from Cobyl Press,

428
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:49.519
Blumes one and two is all new
subclasses, even non magical hold classes.

429
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.799
There's new subclasses for just about everything. And there's some really cool stuff in

430
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.839
here. In fact that once my
Barbarian inevitably dies, we're gonna be talking

431
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.519
to see if we can pull something
from that job and other books like Oh,

432
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.400
the Tone of Heroes and The Tome
of Magic also from Cobyl Press,

433
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:07.960
and then the Deep Magic books.
So for players that would be the next

434
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.359
step there. Of course, check
it out with the DM, maybe pruise

435
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.440
the book together before you spend some
money on it, and then the dms.

436
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.960
In addition to the Sandbox type books. This would be the time to

437
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:25.759
get more third party DM centric stuff, and these are usually a lot less

438
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.160
game breaking because they're usually just more
just more already balanced things you can just

439
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.680
put into your game. You can
get real wild wild in this category.

440
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.480
You can. There's disguise the limit. So the examples that I have here

441
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.359
and what I think are must have
all of the tone of Beasts from Cobyl

442
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.200
Press. This is basically just like
expanded monster manuals, but with monsters that

443
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.400
are just like, I'm not saying
the monster manuals boring, just you know,

444
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.240
we've kind of seen them by now, but the ton of Beasts,

445
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.279
there's some just there are some just
incredible monsters in there, just really well

446
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.839
designed. Yeah, and they do
that really cool thing. Well, they'll

447
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.160
then a monster and every single monster
has like three variants to us that I

448
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.759
really love about that there's kind of
different approaches that you can take to them.

449
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.319
There's also a Layer's book that goes
along with which on the past three,

450
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.559
so that would be bundle those together
if you can. We mentioned the

451
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.920
game Master's Guides on past episode this
week, good times start getting those.

452
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.400
You can really just get any of
them at the time this recording, I

453
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.720
see five on my shelf. I
think I have them all. I think

454
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.559
might be a villain's one that I
don't have. Yeah, but that's the

455
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.359
one I'm saying. I think it
just came out, but they see to

456
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.720
come out with one every year.
So so you know, the Book of

457
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:37.559
NPC is the Book of Astonishing Random
Tables, the Book of Legendary Dragons that

458
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.519
was a fun one. Random Encounters
that's a good book too, and there's

459
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.359
one four Traps and Puzzles as well. I would say. The minute that

460
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:48.559
you so we could probably even go
back some on those, particular those game

461
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.839
Masters books. The minute you start
designing your own encounters and stuff, the

462
00:30:53.920 --> 00:31:00.559
minute you might need how to write
adventure modules that don't suck, you can

463
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.160
probably start getting some just kind of
where I have this face. Yeah,

464
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.480
it's after the Lazy DM Guide,
after monsters know what they're doing, and

465
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.160
we haven't gotten two adventure mosinles that
don't suck yet. Oh geez. I

466
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.960
thought I thought we had already.
I thought we had been in places where

467
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.720
we're making our own we are,
we're building with it now. And that's

468
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.920
where I'm saying that I think these
but even that I think can get segmented

469
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.559
into levels and phases because don't need
it all at once. No, So

470
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.799
I think I think this is the
time after you have your your lazy DM

471
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.960
guide, But this is where you
start branching into writing more of your own

472
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.720
stuff, because we're still like,
we're still looking for mechanics and stat blocks

473
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.559
at this point. It's at our
next point that we can branch out from

474
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:47.799
that, which we'll get to now
phase five. This is my last phase

475
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.480
here. I'm calling this beyond game
books and for dms. That does include

476
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.400
how to write a venture modules that
don't suck that we just covered on the

477
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.640
last episode. So now you're you're
writing games. You've got more than enough

478
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.640
stat blocks and mechanics. You have
more than enough to pull from as far

479
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:07.319
as things that are for the game
specifically, and now you got to figure

480
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.240
out how do I do this better? And how do I do this in

481
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.880
a way that serves the story,
and how do I do this in a

482
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.359
way that feels like a fantasy game. So how to write a venture modules

483
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.839
that don't suck I think would fit
here because now we're all philosophical type of

484
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.200
stuff and for players now we want
to start branching out our characters. We

485
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:29.240
have more than enough mechanics to pull
from. Where do we get inspiration for

486
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.839
our characters themselves and how they role
play and how they interact with the world

487
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.759
and with each other. So I
have a third party book there, and

488
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:38.839
actually, Joe, if you can
grab that for me, it's one that

489
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.200
has a ton of like posted stick
on the top of it. This is

490
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.720
the ultimate RPG character backstory guide.
And there's a couple of these in the

491
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:51.480
same series that really similar covers.
This book I thought was going to be

492
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:52.640
a little bit more like, you
know, step by step how to write

493
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.720
out your backstory, but this is
just more like vibes type of book.

494
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.079
And I had a friend who borrowed
it and she gave it back to me

495
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.079
with that It is just covered in
post and notes. That's wild, And

496
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:06.880
I thought you did that. No, no, no, no. My

497
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.319
my one of my players, Mary
did this for me, and she just

498
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.400
dove into this book and absolutely loved
it. And I think this is one

499
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.599
of the reasons why she loves playing
as much as she does and comes up

500
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:20.279
with just these wild character backstories.
She's got this even color code for me

501
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.400
by like stuff that's for d M
and world building, Like there's a there's

502
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:28.319
a an exercise in here on how
to design a holiday or a festival,

503
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.240
and like how how it would fit
either into the world itself or into just

504
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:36.759
your character's backstory. No, maybe
just the one character, No, the

505
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.440
only total in our group is celebrating
on one day. And what would he

506
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:43.720
be celebrating. What's what's the holiday? What's the festival the or the customs

507
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.240
for it? Is this a happy
or sad holiday? Is it? Is

508
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.279
it? You know? Stuff like
that. So there's there's just really cool

509
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:54.599
just like player player centric, backstory
vibe type of stuff in this book.

510
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.119
I would not get this before you
have all your mechanics set up, but

511
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.759
this is kind of how you just
like get your characters that much more believable

512
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:06.880
and lovable. And this is something
that we've touched on before where like your

513
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.280
five E type of player versus your
one E type of player is going to

514
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.840
be probably a little more attached to
their character and we see a lot less

515
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.760
character debts than we did forty years
ago, and stuff like this, I

516
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.440
can kind of make your character that
much more attached. I think it's kind

517
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.000
of cool. Then just some general
inspirations stuff. This is for players and

518
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.320
dms, the fantasy books. You
should have a copy of Lord of the

519
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.639
Rings. You should have a copy
of the Hobby. You should have you

520
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.079
know what, what's the whatever the
hot fantasy series is right now? Hot?

521
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.960
Take go ahead? You ready?
Yep? Tried to read the Hobbit,

522
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.079
could not do it? Yeah,
two or three times? Rough,

523
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:44.639
It's not for me. I'll watch
the movies. Sure, So you can

524
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.760
have a copy of the Lord of
the Rings on a DVD. Do they

525
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.320
still have DVDs? Are the kids
still watching DVD's? They are? They're

526
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:57.519
streaming it, okay, stream own
it on whatever what other whatever streaming device

527
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.920
you. Streaming is like buying a
DVD, except when the rights get revoked,

528
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.159
you lose what you bought, which
is why they started buying DVDs again,

529
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.280
buy the dvd. The other great
thing about a Blu ray player is

530
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:15.320
that you can reassemble your DVD library
at like thrift stores, Goodwill and stuff

531
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.519
like that, like for like two
bucks of pops. Oh my Blu ray

532
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.320
played DVDs? Yeah yeah, yeah, well okay, back to a corner.

533
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:32.480
Jim and Jim and j somewhere around
your second skills job. But yeah,

534
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.599
so any kind of like fantasy media
that will inspire you to to emulate

535
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.440
characters. And I'm not saying you
have to go play again off of,

536
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.480
but it's like no getting ideas for
how Wizards worked in that world and using

537
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:51.119
concepts from that in your game.
It's funny. I keep so as I

538
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.880
scroll through like Netflix and stuff,
and I'm reading like, you know,

539
00:35:54.000 --> 00:36:02.719
synopsis SYNOPSI movies, I'm like,
oh, this is this whoever wrote this

540
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.000
place? Dungeons is Oh? Of
course, like like, oh, whoever

541
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.639
wrote this movie? This came from
Dungeons and Dragon. There are so many

542
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.840
things. I'm like, this is
a campaign. Yeah, it's incredible.

543
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.400
The later Marvel movies, once they
started getting bad, are D and D.

544
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:21.000
If you stop thinking about bad Marvel
movies and start thinking that as good

545
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:22.880
D and D movies, they get
a lot better. Yeah, really good.

546
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:27.719
But I haven't watched it yet.
But the new David Harbor hellboy,

547
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.159
I was like, oh, I
haven't seen it. I think this is

548
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.000
a Dungeons and Dragon short. The
last book I'm putting on this. This

549
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.039
is both for both players and ds, and this might be my hot take.

550
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.119
This is not even a game book. This is not a fantasy book.

551
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:43.280
This is not having anything to do
with the hobby in itself. This

552
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.960
is the reason I put this on
here is to kind of shape how we

553
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.000
role play. And whether or not
you use it for yourself in your everyday

554
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.760
life is up to you. But
having your characters interact with each other and

555
00:36:54.840 --> 00:37:00.719
with NPCs in a more believable way
to have your social account go a little

556
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.079
bit more, you know, go
a little bit better. And this goes

557
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.760
for both players and NPCs. But
I have on here. It's this a

558
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.480
classic book, and I hear this
in a lot. I have read it

559
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.079
myself. How to win friends and
influence people. Oh yeah, this is

560
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.039
like your your how to be social
one on one type of book. Don't

561
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.679
use the book to the point where
you become manipulative, because this book absolutely

562
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.239
cand of be taken to an extreme. And that's why I'm hesitant to even

563
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.920
say that I've read it, because
it's got a little bit of a got

564
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.960
a bit of a history to it
with the wrong kind of people. But

565
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.119
the concepts are real, and even
if you don't use it in your real

566
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.679
life, that's up to you.
But having your characters kind of know like

567
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.039
how to you know, if you're
trying to persuade somebody, like what are

568
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.639
you perspueading them with? Like if
the character you're talking to you hasn't want

569
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.239
something and I know, and if
you can ascertain what they want and get

570
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.159
this to where where you're now your
persuasion encounter is now you know, something

571
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:57.599
that could be grounded in real life
and not just die rolls. I think

572
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.719
this is a great way to have
your characters in act with each other and

573
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:07.760
NPCs just a little bit more interestingly, and to my mind, if we

574
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.519
hear from any listeners on this,
that's the thing I'm mostly interested in is

575
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.119
what are the you know, books
that were not explicitly here's how to be

576
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:22.239
better at role playing, books that
you found influenced how you played, how

577
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.599
you designed stuff. Because I could
certainly see, you know, like books

578
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:31.840
on like maybe screenwriting or a play
writing class or something like that being the

579
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.800
kind of thing that you might,
you know, realize this is going to

580
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.639
really help with my role playing.
And I'm super curious what for other people,

581
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:43.719
like, what are those things that
we never loved that as being valuable?

582
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:45.519
I love that as a category to
put in Phase five, and I

583
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.079
would just if someone has titles to
give me, I would actually have one

584
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.880
for d MS and I haven't read
it yet. It's on my list to

585
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.320
get sure. But it's Hamlet's Hit
Points. We heard about that. That's

586
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.760
a great book. Yeah, so
I really really want to read this.

587
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:04.039
So it takes Hamlet, right.
Have you read this, Jim, So

588
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.039
I'm very familiar with it. It's
by Robin D. Laws who's a long

589
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.320
time game designer who's written tons and
tons of stuff like not. He was

590
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:15.199
one of the authors of the fourth
edition d DM Guide two, I want

591
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.840
to say, I think, but
he's done some writing for D and D

592
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.760
stuff, mostly known for his he's
the designer, kind of code designer of

593
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.280
the Gumshoe system. But that book
is great because, yeah, it's not

594
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.079
just Hamlet, but he also uses
I think it's Doctor No, the James

595
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:37.760
Bond movie, and Casablanca as the
three examples that he takes to describe how

596
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.840
the story works. And you know, and like like like rising action,

597
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.480
falling action, basically like yeah,
yeah, that thing you said where like

598
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:51.039
he's like, okay, if you're
going to turn Hamlet into an RPG adventure.

599
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:52.559
Yeah, here's what you need to
know, and here's how you break

600
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.039
it down and onto that and it
turns and the and it kind of looks

601
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.039
at it from the other way too. It's like, how do we get

602
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.000
our adventure to feel a little bit
more like movies? Like? How do

603
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:06.039
we tell those? How do we
make it a little more dramatic? How

604
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:09.880
do we tell those stories that feel
a little more real in that way?

605
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.519
Right? And it's like, okay, the the the most simplistic way right

606
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.880
first and foremost is like every story
has a beginning, a middle, right

607
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:22.559
like, and then you get into
your like, well, your third act,

608
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.559
this is what's going to happen in
your third a kind of thing.

609
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.159
And again I have not I have
not read this short. It is on

610
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.360
my left. I think I bought
it for my my now adult son for

611
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:37.000
Christmas. Yes, how weird does
that feel? He's like that we have

612
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.079
to buy tickets for graduation? I'm
like, no, thank you, not

613
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:45.320
if I've read it and it's great, completely endorse that recommendation, yet,

614
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.239
will throw Is that a phase five
book? You think? That's a yeah,

615
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.519
that's very much book that's getting into
the nitty gritty of like, you

616
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:58.480
know, Robin's professional career is as
a dramaturgist, which is to say,

617
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.119
someone who you know azes plays and
breaks them down, and you know,

618
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.559
like that, that's what his degree
is in. You know, he's parlayed

619
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.000
that into a career as a you
know, an amazing long time well respected

620
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.920
you know, not just someone who
writes and designs games, but who you

621
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.119
know, thinks a lot about them
and how they work and stuff like that,

622
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.159
and that that book is a real
distillation of cool. You know,

623
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:23.519
all those years of experience. I'm
going to buy that today. Actually,

624
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:28.519
I'm going to leave a link to
the drivether Repuge on the I Shual.

625
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.559
I'm go to leave links to all
these books in the in the show notes.

626
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.079
But at the time of this recording, if you buy the soft cover

627
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.159
on the driveth Repug for him,
it's hit points. You can get the

628
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.000
PDF for free. Yeah. Cool. Any other Is there anything that you

629
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.840
guys really hoping that I would have
somewhere on this list? Maybe not in

630
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.440
any necessary There's one thing that there's
one thing that I want to drop in

631
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:49.920
that's a little bit of a kind
of a little bit of a side thing,

632
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.599
but that I think is really interesting
and fun, which is there's a

633
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:59.840
book called Improv for Gamers, the
author of which is guthor is named ca

634
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.599
in twelves and it's published by Evil
Hat Games, where the Pope the folks

635
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.840
who do the Fate system as well
as some game games like Apocalypse World and

636
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:13.679
Monster of the Week and things like
that, And that is a book full

637
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:22.280
of short exercises adapted from like improv
classes that you can do that might take

638
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.400
like just five minutes to like warm
up for a game and kind of get

639
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.559
everybody in the spirit of getting into
character or you know, like I love

640
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.760
this. Yeah, Like if you
know you're going to do a humorous adventure

641
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.840
today, you can do a quick
little exercise that kind of gets everybody in

642
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.800
that mindset and it's you know,
it's a little bit of it. You

643
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.199
kind of got to have people that
are that are gained for it, right,

644
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.159
that are willing to do that kind
of thing, because some of them

645
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.920
may involve getting up from the table, some of them may involve being a

646
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.840
little silly, But if you have
that kind of group, it can be

647
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:57.119
they're great like bonding exercises and kind
of getting into the spirit of being in

648
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.639
the game and applicable across the board
for everything from D and D to more

649
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.920
you know, kind of like some
of the hippie story games that I like

650
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.480
to play, you know, but
but but really really neat book with a

651
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:14.920
lot of cool stuff in there,
but definitely very much a like probably not

652
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.159
the kind of thing you're necessarily gonna
do if you're at you know, like

653
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:22.360
sitting down to a table at a
at a group hub or something like that.

654
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.639
But if it's a group well,
my first thought was to bring this

655
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.760
to those games. Yeah, okay, maybe maybe then you get those first

656
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:34.159
times and just kind of exactly because
they walk in and they're so nervous.

657
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.159
Yeah, and if I can,
like, you know, have my vetter,

658
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.079
especially if I have like some of
my Ringer players there, and like

659
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.800
I can have them like just like
set the bar and like you know,

660
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.519
kind of bringing all the way around
the table to the new nervous guy and

661
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:47.119
like be like, listen, this
is how silly we're going to be today.

662
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.360
And you're like, you don't have
to you don't have to do it,

663
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.480
but like, you know, just
know that this is that this is

664
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:54.159
what is acceptable for us. And
if you want to get a little silly

665
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.440
with us. We'd love to come
along. Yeah, this is this is

666
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.559
awesome. I'm I should look at
this the whole time that you're talking about.

667
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.400
I'm buying this one today as well. And I think there's like a

668
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.159
second edition of it recently came out
and stuff like this. That great,

669
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.719
great book. Can't recommend it.
That was great? Yeah, anything else

670
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:13.320
somebody missed? Oh we nailed it. Okay, cool? Yeah, I

671
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.280
think so let's recap this whole thing
like our list. Yeah, yeah,

672
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.960
so recap the whole thing for players. Your Phase one is the Player's Handbook.

673
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.000
Phase two is to add Tasha's Cauldron
of Everything. Phase three is to

674
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:29.679
add keith a Mon's Live to Tell
the Tale. Phase four is to get

675
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:34.639
any applicable campaign books or sandbox books
as Jim calls them, with player mechanics,

676
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.880
and any potential third party player books
with DM approval. And Phase five

677
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.760
the open RPG backstory Guide, some
sort of fantasy media like Lord of the

678
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.320
Rings and how to Win friends and
influence people. And we've also added improv

679
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.679
for gamers for dungeon masters or game
masters that you're going to want to start

680
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.679
with. Also, the Player's Handbook. In phase two you can round out

681
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.840
the core trio and the supplemental trio. Phase three you can get the monsters

682
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:06.719
know what They're doing and the Lazy
DMS Guide. Phase four is third party

683
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.440
books with stats and mechanics, any
kind of sandbox book, cobol pressed,

684
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:14.119
Home of Beasts, any of the
game Masters guys books, any kind of

685
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.280
like random or not a random and
any kind of book that has like stats

686
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:21.280
and random tables, things like that, and finish off your collection with how

687
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.159
to write in venture modules that don't
suck. You also want to keep some

688
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.800
fantasy media around. Also keep a
copy of Head to Wind friends and influence

689
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:34.000
people, and I'll also get the
improv for gamers for DMS. And if

690
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:36.960
so, for those of you who
keep asking me, how do I build

691
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.079
my library? How do I get
started on this? I think step by

692
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:43.119
step that'll kind of get you caught
up to where I'm at, because I

693
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.920
think, I think, I think
everything that I own is somewhere in those

694
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.440
categories. And I have a couple
more things that I didn't that I didn't

695
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.280
list that are I know some things
are specific to one shots and that some

696
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.800
things are for other games that I
know, you don't have to go get

697
00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.280
the Pathfinder Core book to go play
D and D. But I've had a

698
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.400
lot of older editions stuff that I
like to collect, and there's a lot

699
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:06.280
of very specific things that have on
my shelf. But like if you pick

700
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.000
up, you know this, this
should be well over the course of like

701
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.519
at least a year or two or
five, like I've been collecting about four

702
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:17.000
years now. It depends on where
circumstances, your pace, where you're at,

703
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.239
you know, or if you just
like having things on until you get

704
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.239
there. If you're just like having
things on a shelf, you know,

705
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.960
you and and you're blessed with with
with with some extra expendable income, you

706
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.920
know, then you can you can
comply faster. But like you know,

707
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.199
get to miss in phases as you
need them or as you want them.

708
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.039
I'm not gonna say you spend your
money, but I think I think we've

709
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:37.360
packed a lot of value into this
one today. So we're gonna we're gonna

710
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.400
wrap this up. So let's wrap
this thing up here, and and you

711
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:44.920
listening, if you have any books
that we may have missed, or any

712
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.920
books that you love, or anything
that you you know, you think might

713
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.719
be bought early. I want to
hear your opinions on this. What books

714
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.719
do you have that you think are
essential to a library and at what point

715
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:58.119
did you pick it up? So
you can send that all over to full

716
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.119
Adventures podcast at gmail dot com or
just tell us yourself helloadventures dot com slash

717
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.800
voice. So I think that'll that'll
actually wrap it up, So Jim,

718
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.559
Joe, thanks so much, thank
you and thank you for listening. This

719
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:12.280
has been Hello Adventurers. We are
your host, Jason Portiso, Jim Crocker

720
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.559
and Joe McCall producer, editor,
an engineer Jason Portiso, music by an

721
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.519
experior artwork, actors and Roderick.
You can reach out to us with any

722
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:22.760
feedback suggestions by emailing Helloadventures podcast at
gmail dot com. Hello Adventures is a

723
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.719
JTP audio production. Goodbye Adventures